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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2020, 01:32:35 pm »
Most English people will look on us beating you as banter material.The English are by far the most tolerant nation on earth so dont have the levels of bile reserved for You as a portion of the Scottish people do for us .That said its only a certain section who show Scotland up .like the idiots who stand by the border hoping to keep the English out or the clowns now being ever closer linked to The republic of Spudland.
I did notice that the Mctier  system came into effect the monday after English half term had finished.Wee nipoleon didnt let her hate of the English get in the way of her love for the queens head on bank notes.
The English are by far more tolerant than the Scots. I have said for years that I much prefer being in England as the people are so much nicer and tolearant. No chips on their shoulders and no going on and fuc#ing on about independence. There is no doubt in my mind that I will move there at some point in the future. I cannot stand living among the seps with their anti English, WM, Conservative views.
I hear regularly up here fuc#ing English this, English that.
Never heard a bad word against the Scots said by the English.On the contrary only good things. I got a few congratualon texts from my mates down south who were all so happy Scotland qualified. Compare that to up here.
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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2020, 02:39:20 pm »

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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2020, 07:44:12 pm »
NI are a wee diddy nation
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« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2020, 11:50:00 am »
NI are a wee diddy nation
Is Scotland a wee diddy nation as well ?

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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2020, 12:18:00 pm »
We're on our way
From misery to happiness today....
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« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2020, 12:22:34 pm »
We're on our way
From misery to happiness today....
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« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2020, 12:38:47 pm »
Is Malky Mackay involved with the SFA?
Hope He ain’t around if you play China or Israel😀
He’s done a diversity course now so all is good
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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2020, 11:07:05 am »
There is a fantasy world. Escapism. One where the good indigenous English protect statues and protect businesses during riots while the “others” seek to destroy. The stiff upper lip of the ordinary football lads will never quiver. Unless they are criticised.

And Scotland is a place where the people don’t know how lucky they are to have such benevolent viceroys and they spend their time resenting those in England who consider them with such selfless kindness.

The reality is that hardly anyone in Scotland gives a second though to “the English” as an entity. They are just living their lives.

JTC puts across solid points and the lefties react by sneering and presenting strawman arguments.. why does this not surprise me?  ;D

Peter, what you describe certainly is a fantasy world alright, but it's one I've never heard be described by anyone, including JTC.

Say anything negative about immigration (and let's face it, there are plenty negatives) then you're characterised as having said 'it's always the immigrants' fault.
Question the hatred of some Scots to the English and you're 'intolerant of Scots'
Big up your own nation by calling it tolerant without much rioting, and you're sarcastically asked if you 'want a medal' or told 'congratulations' despite that irrelevant to the point being made.

The fact of the matter is that JTC is putting across valid points, and you lot can't tackle them.  It's clear to see that the cult of diversity is strong though.

I look forward to the day when the left offer intellectual, statistics driven, sensible points on matters of race/immigration without labelling people or dishing out strawman arguments  (No sniggering at the back)

Immigration has positives and negatives. Advantages and drawbacks. Nobody would deny that. I don’t ever see opponents of immigration acknowledging the positives though.

What I’ve never understood from those who have a problem with immigration though is why they feel entitled to a world without it. What right do any of us have to have our preferred culture mores preserved at the expense of other cultures? If the world around me changes and I don’t like it, I have to readily acknowledge that’s just tough **** for me. The world doesn’t owe me any pandering to my sensibilities.

The British have travelled all over the world, impacting cultures massively, for hundreds of years. Millions of British people live and work in other countries today.

I don’t accept either any argument with regard to employment. We have more immigrants than ever before and at the same time we have just had the highest levels of employment ever recorded and the lowest levels of unemployment.

I think a lot of it is insularity, exceptionalism and just down right busy-bodiedness. I don’t sit in my house and brood about the English, or about the Indians who live down the road. And not should anyone else. It’s not healthy.

I have never met anyone either who gives much though to the English or spends their time slagging them off. I’m sure it happens somewhere but I don’t really care, it’s none of my business.

I'm glad you admit that immigration has both positives and negatives, but I think you're wrong when you say that nobody would deny that.  All we seem to hear is how good it is, how good diversity is.. how it should be promoted etc.  In my opinion, the negatives far outweigh the positives.  Happy to go into that further if need be.

I can't speak for others, but I don't feel I have the right to anything in this world.. this doesn't mean I have to accept or like it either though.  We live in a democracy where we can express our views via the ballot box, and we supposedly have free speech where we can speak about these things freely.  I'd prefer my own people to be the overwhelming majority in the country they built, and would always prefer living mainly among my own people, but I don't think I have a right to this, nor do I think this makes me or my people or culture inferior or superior to any others.  It certainly doesn't mean I hate those that are different either.

There are always huge double standards when it comes to these sort of topics and they can very rarely ever be debated rationally.

Employment isn't really an argument I'd invoke, however I do think that bringing in cheap labour from other countries pushes down wages.

"I think a lot of it is insularity, exceptionalism and just down right busy-bodiedness. I don’t sit in my house and brood about the English, or about the Indians who live down the road. And not should anyone else. It’s not healthy."

Why do you believe the above to be the case?  I could give lots of arguments against immigration which are not down to insularity, exceptionalism and busy-bodiedness.  I also don't know of anyone who sits in the house brooding.

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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #128 on: November 18, 2020, 11:23:13 am »
Who exactly are your people?

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« Reply #129 on: November 18, 2020, 11:32:54 am »
Who exactly are your people?

What do you think?  Also, what do you think of the other points I made?

Whether you are able to prove me wrong by having a rational discussion on the topic remains to be seen.  I really hope you do, but deep down I know that you won't.

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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2020, 11:45:08 am »
Who exactly are your people?

What do you think?  Also, what do you think of the other points I made?

Whether you are able to prove me wrong by having a rational discussion on the topic remains to be seen.  I really hope you do, but deep down I know that you won't.
Just a question. You desperate to put over some of your more right wing views but seem to get a bit defensive when someone asks a question. I've noticed you aren't willing to engage in debate unless it is the exact points you want to debate.

As I said it was just a question that could have easily lead to a debate but i'm not really that bothered if you answer it or not :)

I'm sure someone else will get a bit deeper with you if that's what you want

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« Reply #131 on: November 18, 2020, 11:55:19 am »
Who exactly are your people?

What do you think?  Also, what do you think of the other points I made?

Whether you are able to prove me wrong by having a rational discussion on the topic remains to be seen.  I really hope you do, but deep down I know that you won't.
Just a question. You desperate to put over some of your more right wing views but seem to get a bit defensive when someone asks a question. I've noticed you aren't willing to engage in debate unless it is the exact points you want to debate.

As I said it was just a question that could have easily lead to a debate but i'm not really that bothered if you answer it or not :)

I'm sure someone else will get a bit deeper with you if that's what you want

No desperation or defensiveness from me, MOA.  Just don't want what I'm saying to be reframed or one point to be homed in on with the rest being lost.

Happy to just leave it if that's what you want.
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Re: Northern Ireland
« Reply #132 on: November 18, 2020, 12:05:33 pm »
“ Employment isn't really an argument I'd invoke, however I do think that bringing in cheap labour from other countries pushes down wages.”

There’s no evidence of that. Labour from overseas actually costs more and is utilised because of need for skills and labour.

On your other points, I get it. I just don’t feel the same and I’m not bothered about what demographic make up the country has. The UK exports its people and culture plenty and always has, so if people from other countries want to come and live and work here that’s fine by me.

The people who built the country are dead, and you could go back before the Norman conquest if you want to be pure about the indigenous people of these islands, and then even back before Roman times. To me it just doesn’t matter and I have no issue with change because it’s inevitable and always has been.

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« Reply #133 on: November 18, 2020, 12:09:45 pm »
Who exactly are your people?

What do you think?  Also, what do you think of the other points I made?

Whether you are able to prove me wrong by having a rational discussion on the topic remains to be seen.  I really hope you do, but deep down I know that you won't.
Your people would be the Celts I guess. Do we differentiate between Celts and Anglo Saxons in the modern age?

Why then would we differentiate between other groups and where would the line be drawn? Are Irish immigrants ok? Italians? Spanish? Do we limit it Europe only when we’ve just stuck two fingers up to Europe and we currently rely on doctors from the Philippines and nurses from Indonesia?

I just don’t understand what people hope to achieve regarding their opposition to immigration. I mean, what is the endgame?
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« Reply #134 on: November 18, 2020, 12:45:59 pm »
Who exactly are your people?

What do you think?  Also, what do you think of the other points I made?

Whether you are able to prove me wrong by having a rational discussion on the topic remains to be seen.  I really hope you do, but deep down I know that you won't.
Your people would be the Celts I guess. Do we differentiate between Celts and Anglo Saxons in the modern age?

Why then would we differentiate between other groups and where would the line be drawn? Are Irish immigrants ok? Italians? Spanish? Do we limit it Europe only when we’ve just stuck two fingers up to Europe and we currently rely on doctors from the Philippines and nurses from Indonesia?

I just don’t understand what people hope to achieve regarding their opposition to immigration. I mean, what is the endgame?
I was kind of leading up to that with my initial question but you've put it across better than I would have