Quote from: Slimliner on November 14, 2020, 01:46:27 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on November 14, 2020, 11:45:58 am

There is a fantasy world. Escapism. One where the good indigenous English protect statues and protect businesses during riots while the “others” seek to destroy. The stiff upper lip of the ordinary football lads will never quiver. Unless they are criticised.

And Scotland is a place where the people don’t know how lucky they are to have such benevolent viceroys and they spend their time resenting those in England who consider them with such selfless kindness.

The reality is that hardly anyone in Scotland gives a second though to “the English” as an entity. They are just living their lives.

JTC puts across solid points and the lefties react by sneering and presenting strawman arguments.. why does this not surprise me? 

Peter, what you describe certainly is a fantasy world alright, but it's one I've never heard be described by anyone, including JTC.

Say anything negative about immigration (and let's face it, there are plenty negatives) then you're characterised as having said 'it's always the immigrants' fault.
Question the hatred of some Scots to the English and you're 'intolerant of Scots'
Big up your own nation by calling it tolerant without much rioting, and you're sarcastically asked if you 'want a medal' or told 'congratulations' despite that irrelevant to the point being made.

The fact of the matter is that JTC is putting across valid points, and you lot can't tackle them.  It's clear to see that the cult of diversity is strong though.

I look forward to the day when the left offer intellectual, statistics driven, sensible points on matters of race/immigration without labelling people or dishing out strawman arguments  (No sniggering at the back)

Immigration has positives and negatives. Advantages and drawbacks. Nobody would deny that. I don’t ever see opponents of immigration acknowledging the positives though.

What I’ve never understood from those who have a problem with immigration though is why they feel entitled to a world without it. What right do any of us have to have our preferred culture mores preserved at the expense of other cultures? If the world around me changes and I don’t like it, I have to readily acknowledge that’s just tough **** for me. The world doesn’t owe me any pandering to my sensibilities.

The British have travelled all over the world, impacting cultures massively, for hundreds of years. Millions of British people live and work in other countries today.

I don’t accept either any argument with regard to employment. We have more immigrants than ever before and at the same time we have just had the highest levels of employment ever recorded and the lowest levels of unemployment.

I think a lot of it is insularity, exceptionalism and just down right busy-bodiedness. I don’t sit in my house and brood about the English, or about the Indians who live down the road. And not should anyone else. It’s not healthy.

I have never met anyone either who gives much though to the English or spends their time slagging them off. I’m sure it happens somewhere but I don’t really care, it’s none of my business.

I'm glad you admit that immigration has both positives and negatives, but I think you're wrong when you say that nobody would deny that.  All we seem to hear is how good it is, how good diversity is.. how it should be promoted etc.  In my opinion, the negatives far outweigh the positives.  Happy to go into that further if need be.

I can't speak for others, but I don't feel I have the right to anything in this world.. this doesn't mean I have to accept or like it either though.  We live in a democracy where we can express our views via the ballot box, and we supposedly have free speech where we can speak about these things freely.  I'd prefer my own people to be the overwhelming majority in the country they built, and would always prefer living mainly among my own people, but I don't think I have a right to this, nor do I think this makes me or my people or culture inferior or superior to any others.  It certainly doesn't mean I hate those that are different either.

There are always huge double standards when it comes to these sort of topics and they can very rarely ever be debated rationally.

Employment isn't really an argument I'd invoke, however I do think that bringing in cheap labour from other countries pushes down wages.

"I think a lot of it is insularity, exceptionalism and just down right busy-bodiedness. I don’t sit in my house and brood about the English, or about the Indians who live down the road. And not should anyone else. It’s not healthy."

Why do you believe the above to be the case?  I could give lots of arguments against immigration which are not down to insularity, exceptionalism and busy-bodiedness.  I also don't know of anyone who sits in the house brooding.