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Quote from: Hardliner on October 20, 2020, 10:21:03 pmQuote from: AJ on October 20, 2020, 10:12:06 pmQuote from: Hardliner on October 20, 2020, 09:08:18 pmQuote from: PeterGrant on October 20, 2020, 05:54:19 pmList of mandates for a 2nd referendumSNP election win 2015 They didn't win the election, they just gained more seats in the FPTP system which isn't a mandate.SNP election win 2016 This isn't a mandate. It just meant that the SNP had the most seats out of all the parties in an assembly used for devolved matters, which don't include independence referendums. Most voters voted for Unionists parties anyway, which is a more accurate reflection on the sovereignty of the Scottish people as stated in the Claim of Right. SNP election win 2017 They didn't win the election and they actually lost seats. Absolutely not a mandate.SNP election win 2019 Again, they didn't win the election. Not a mandate.SNP election win 2021 to come Has Fremsley hacked your account? Big assumption there, and even if the SNP do win this devolved assembly election **shivvers**, it isn't a mandate. It just shows that the SNP have been elected to run Scotland in terms of matters that are devolved, which don't include independence referendums, especially ones that go against the Edinburgh agreement and have been campaigned for despite promises to the contrary. Pro-independence majority at Holyrood Irrelevant. Independence referendums are not a devolved matter.Pro-independence majority of Scotland’s MPs at Westminster. Irrelevant, especially when most Scots voted for Unionist parties.The Claim of Right. The original 1689 Claim of Right, willingly signed by the moderniser good King Billy (had a ten foot willy), was to transfer power from the monarch to parliament, nothing about frequent secession referendums every few years. The more recent Claim of Right was about the importance of the sovereignty of the Scottish people. The most accurate barometer of Scottish opinion in this regard was the Independence referendum in 2014 where a No beat Yes by 11% on a massive turnout. Since then, the last Holyrood election even had most Scots voting Unionist. The Claim of Right actually backs up the stance of not having another Independence Referendum. If we were to ignore Scottish opinion and grant another referendum, it would be denying Scots their sovereignty and going against the Claim of Right.International law There is nothing in International Law that could be seen as a mandate.The UN Charter There is nothing in the UN charter that could be seen as a mandate.Scottish public opinion Recent spoofing opinion polls can not even be seen as a fair reflection of Scottish public opinion for several reasons, never mind a mandate.I could go on. Be my guest!There will be a second referendum and unionists only have themselves to blame. It will be defeat from the jaws of their 2014 victory. Fremsley, please give Peter his username back.A truly outstanding swording. I'm sitting here in awe.Many thanks Brother AJ.**Bows**I feel on this issue Comrade Hardliner you have fought manfully, waving around a bin lid so that my penetrating thrusts yielded merely superficial wounds as opposed to truly devastating strikes.We both live to fight another day for the soul of the nation. 😀
Quote from: AJ on October 20, 2020, 10:12:06 pmQuote from: Hardliner on October 20, 2020, 09:08:18 pmQuote from: PeterGrant on October 20, 2020, 05:54:19 pmList of mandates for a 2nd referendumSNP election win 2015 They didn't win the election, they just gained more seats in the FPTP system which isn't a mandate.SNP election win 2016 This isn't a mandate. It just meant that the SNP had the most seats out of all the parties in an assembly used for devolved matters, which don't include independence referendums. Most voters voted for Unionists parties anyway, which is a more accurate reflection on the sovereignty of the Scottish people as stated in the Claim of Right. SNP election win 2017 They didn't win the election and they actually lost seats. Absolutely not a mandate.SNP election win 2019 Again, they didn't win the election. Not a mandate.SNP election win 2021 to come Has Fremsley hacked your account? Big assumption there, and even if the SNP do win this devolved assembly election **shivvers**, it isn't a mandate. It just shows that the SNP have been elected to run Scotland in terms of matters that are devolved, which don't include independence referendums, especially ones that go against the Edinburgh agreement and have been campaigned for despite promises to the contrary. Pro-independence majority at Holyrood Irrelevant. Independence referendums are not a devolved matter.Pro-independence majority of Scotland’s MPs at Westminster. Irrelevant, especially when most Scots voted for Unionist parties.The Claim of Right. The original 1689 Claim of Right, willingly signed by the moderniser good King Billy (had a ten foot willy), was to transfer power from the monarch to parliament, nothing about frequent secession referendums every few years. The more recent Claim of Right was about the importance of the sovereignty of the Scottish people. The most accurate barometer of Scottish opinion in this regard was the Independence referendum in 2014 where a No beat Yes by 11% on a massive turnout. Since then, the last Holyrood election even had most Scots voting Unionist. The Claim of Right actually backs up the stance of not having another Independence Referendum. If we were to ignore Scottish opinion and grant another referendum, it would be denying Scots their sovereignty and going against the Claim of Right.International law There is nothing in International Law that could be seen as a mandate.The UN Charter There is nothing in the UN charter that could be seen as a mandate.Scottish public opinion Recent spoofing opinion polls can not even be seen as a fair reflection of Scottish public opinion for several reasons, never mind a mandate.I could go on. Be my guest!There will be a second referendum and unionists only have themselves to blame. It will be defeat from the jaws of their 2014 victory. Fremsley, please give Peter his username back.A truly outstanding swording. I'm sitting here in awe.Many thanks Brother AJ.**Bows**
Quote from: Hardliner on October 20, 2020, 09:08:18 pmQuote from: PeterGrant on October 20, 2020, 05:54:19 pmList of mandates for a 2nd referendumSNP election win 2015 They didn't win the election, they just gained more seats in the FPTP system which isn't a mandate.SNP election win 2016 This isn't a mandate. It just meant that the SNP had the most seats out of all the parties in an assembly used for devolved matters, which don't include independence referendums. Most voters voted for Unionists parties anyway, which is a more accurate reflection on the sovereignty of the Scottish people as stated in the Claim of Right. SNP election win 2017 They didn't win the election and they actually lost seats. Absolutely not a mandate.SNP election win 2019 Again, they didn't win the election. Not a mandate.SNP election win 2021 to come Has Fremsley hacked your account? Big assumption there, and even if the SNP do win this devolved assembly election **shivvers**, it isn't a mandate. It just shows that the SNP have been elected to run Scotland in terms of matters that are devolved, which don't include independence referendums, especially ones that go against the Edinburgh agreement and have been campaigned for despite promises to the contrary. Pro-independence majority at Holyrood Irrelevant. Independence referendums are not a devolved matter.Pro-independence majority of Scotland’s MPs at Westminster. Irrelevant, especially when most Scots voted for Unionist parties.The Claim of Right. The original 1689 Claim of Right, willingly signed by the moderniser good King Billy (had a ten foot willy), was to transfer power from the monarch to parliament, nothing about frequent secession referendums every few years. The more recent Claim of Right was about the importance of the sovereignty of the Scottish people. The most accurate barometer of Scottish opinion in this regard was the Independence referendum in 2014 where a No beat Yes by 11% on a massive turnout. Since then, the last Holyrood election even had most Scots voting Unionist. The Claim of Right actually backs up the stance of not having another Independence Referendum. If we were to ignore Scottish opinion and grant another referendum, it would be denying Scots their sovereignty and going against the Claim of Right.International law There is nothing in International Law that could be seen as a mandate.The UN Charter There is nothing in the UN charter that could be seen as a mandate.Scottish public opinion Recent spoofing opinion polls can not even be seen as a fair reflection of Scottish public opinion for several reasons, never mind a mandate.I could go on. Be my guest!There will be a second referendum and unionists only have themselves to blame. It will be defeat from the jaws of their 2014 victory. Fremsley, please give Peter his username back.A truly outstanding swording. I'm sitting here in awe.
Quote from: PeterGrant on October 20, 2020, 05:54:19 pmList of mandates for a 2nd referendumSNP election win 2015 They didn't win the election, they just gained more seats in the FPTP system which isn't a mandate.SNP election win 2016 This isn't a mandate. It just meant that the SNP had the most seats out of all the parties in an assembly used for devolved matters, which don't include independence referendums. Most voters voted for Unionists parties anyway, which is a more accurate reflection on the sovereignty of the Scottish people as stated in the Claim of Right. SNP election win 2017 They didn't win the election and they actually lost seats. Absolutely not a mandate.SNP election win 2019 Again, they didn't win the election. Not a mandate.SNP election win 2021 to come Has Fremsley hacked your account? Big assumption there, and even if the SNP do win this devolved assembly election **shivvers**, it isn't a mandate. It just shows that the SNP have been elected to run Scotland in terms of matters that are devolved, which don't include independence referendums, especially ones that go against the Edinburgh agreement and have been campaigned for despite promises to the contrary. Pro-independence majority at Holyrood Irrelevant. Independence referendums are not a devolved matter.Pro-independence majority of Scotland’s MPs at Westminster. Irrelevant, especially when most Scots voted for Unionist parties.The Claim of Right. The original 1689 Claim of Right, willingly signed by the moderniser good King Billy (had a ten foot willy), was to transfer power from the monarch to parliament, nothing about frequent secession referendums every few years. The more recent Claim of Right was about the importance of the sovereignty of the Scottish people. The most accurate barometer of Scottish opinion in this regard was the Independence referendum in 2014 where a No beat Yes by 11% on a massive turnout. Since then, the last Holyrood election even had most Scots voting Unionist. The Claim of Right actually backs up the stance of not having another Independence Referendum. If we were to ignore Scottish opinion and grant another referendum, it would be denying Scots their sovereignty and going against the Claim of Right.International law There is nothing in International Law that could be seen as a mandate.The UN Charter There is nothing in the UN charter that could be seen as a mandate.Scottish public opinion Recent spoofing opinion polls can not even be seen as a fair reflection of Scottish public opinion for several reasons, never mind a mandate.I could go on. Be my guest!There will be a second referendum and unionists only have themselves to blame. It will be defeat from the jaws of their 2014 victory. Fremsley, please give Peter his username back.
List of mandates for a 2nd referendumSNP election win 2015 They didn't win the election, they just gained more seats in the FPTP system which isn't a mandate.SNP election win 2016 This isn't a mandate. It just meant that the SNP had the most seats out of all the parties in an assembly used for devolved matters, which don't include independence referendums. Most voters voted for Unionists parties anyway, which is a more accurate reflection on the sovereignty of the Scottish people as stated in the Claim of Right. SNP election win 2017 They didn't win the election and they actually lost seats. Absolutely not a mandate.SNP election win 2019 Again, they didn't win the election. Not a mandate.SNP election win 2021 to come Has Fremsley hacked your account? Big assumption there, and even if the SNP do win this devolved assembly election **shivvers**, it isn't a mandate. It just shows that the SNP have been elected to run Scotland in terms of matters that are devolved, which don't include independence referendums, especially ones that go against the Edinburgh agreement and have been campaigned for despite promises to the contrary. Pro-independence majority at Holyrood Irrelevant. Independence referendums are not a devolved matter.Pro-independence majority of Scotland’s MPs at Westminster. Irrelevant, especially when most Scots voted for Unionist parties.The Claim of Right. The original 1689 Claim of Right, willingly signed by the moderniser good King Billy (had a ten foot willy), was to transfer power from the monarch to parliament, nothing about frequent secession referendums every few years. The more recent Claim of Right was about the importance of the sovereignty of the Scottish people. The most accurate barometer of Scottish opinion in this regard was the Independence referendum in 2014 where a No beat Yes by 11% on a massive turnout. Since then, the last Holyrood election even had most Scots voting Unionist. The Claim of Right actually backs up the stance of not having another Independence Referendum. If we were to ignore Scottish opinion and grant another referendum, it would be denying Scots their sovereignty and going against the Claim of Right.International law There is nothing in International Law that could be seen as a mandate.The UN Charter There is nothing in the UN charter that could be seen as a mandate.Scottish public opinion Recent spoofing opinion polls can not even be seen as a fair reflection of Scottish public opinion for several reasons, never mind a mandate.I could go on. Be my guest!There will be a second referendum and unionists only have themselves to blame. It will be defeat from the jaws of their 2014 victory. Fremsley, please give Peter his username back.
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