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Morning JTC.

Yes. I’m pro-independence. Always have been.

I didn’t engage with the SNP until 2006. At that point they convinced me they were a realistic vehicle for independence and a viable Scottish Government.

I was pretty happy with the SNP up until 2016 and gradually became disaffected through to the present day, both by policy and by the internal machinations I was witnessing. I cancelled my membership in 2018.

They have my vote still as there is no alternative. I will return to the party possibly in 2021, if the leadership changes and policies are drastically improved.

I guess that all sounds a bit in and out and lacking in loyalty, but I don’t believe in loyalty. It’s a control mechanism.

If you only vote for a party based on wanting independence you’ll accept any old shite they foist upon the public.
You really couldn’t give two fücks about the people of Scotland.

Says the bright spark who prefers Westminster to foist whatever they like on the people of Scotland. Very good! 😆

Show me where I ‘prefer Westminster to foist whatever they like on the people of Scotland’.

it is entirely your preference.

....but you can’t provide proof?

“Boris says no!!! 🇬🇧 “

And?

You understand.

Nope.
You appear to be conflating things.
The SNP said ‘once in a generation, once in a lifetime opportunity’.
Is being held to keep their word wrong?

The Nats must keep their once in a generation/lifetime promise.  Anything else is an insult to the people of Scotland.

There are several problems with that assessment.

1. “Once in a generation” was not binding in law.
2. Past governments cannot bind future governments. This is a matter of law.
3. It is the people of Scotland who favour a new referendum. And independence.

4.

I believe Sturgeon made the promise repeatedly.  In my own personal life, I try to keep my promises whether they are made into law or not, but maybe Sturgeon just has a different moral code from me.  It didn't seem to be a manifesto governmental promise either, it was a promise to the Scottish people.  Allowing opinion polls to sway one's decision to try and break a promise or not is also deeply immoral, especially when she started trying to break it before opinion polls showed such results.

Sturgeon falls firmly into the red section of the below image IMO.  That's where promise breakers go.