Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on October 28, 2020, 11:58:40 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on October 28, 2020, 11:48:50 am

Quote from: Jtc on October 28, 2020, 11:25:27 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on October 28, 2020, 10:36:55 am

That’s a great post JTC. I have a respect and affection for everyone who posts here, even the ones I argue with the most.

The world is a rich old tapestry and we all bring own unique threads to life’s great loom.

its ironic that since Maggie was in power,a women who claimed to be a ubber Brit her policies of de industrialisation have hastened independent nationalism in the UK rather than cemented the Union. When we had a coal industry for example a bloke in Cumnock would have more in common with a man in the Staffordshire coalfields then He would with a Perthshire farmer.
Also devolution hasnt helped imo.Iv got to admit I (coming from a Labour background at the time)I thought it would be fine.Giving the four segments if you like, of the UK the chance of being the samebut slightly different.Of course the people of NE England were offered a devolution of regional sorts but rejected it.And quite right too as the assets like the mines had long closed.No point in having power over nothing is there?
ultimately time will tell about the Union.Like iv said I dont think its anyones right to stop people having a say.What i do believe is the vote we had was once in a generation so no new one is needed.Also I see no 'better' way been put forward by the SNP.If it put a 'better' way forward than the one we have already I might see the point of indy more.Also ,sadly I dont feel it is run on the lines (by the leadership and more rabid supporters)of  whats best for Scotland .Its more to do with hatred of the English /British.I see a rabid Irish Republicism tied into this too.I really think the SNP need  to divorce away from it

A new vote is needed if the people decide a new vote is needed. Devolution had to be delivered for Scotland. Blair had to accede to it due to EU and International Law, especially given NI had already been handed devolution multiple times and there are devolved parliaments all across Europe.

There is no rabid Irish republicanism in the independence movement. For a long time that dwindling element of society was remarkably pro-union when it came to Scotland. Most of that ilk still are. They are thick as mince in the main and believe the SNP to be consumed with a desire to abolish Catholic schools.

Scotland running it’s own economy and foreign affairs is infinitely better than having these things run by Westminster, especially a Tory, right wing, hard Brexit isolationist and incompetent Westminster. Most people in Scotland believe that fundamentally.

The UK is going to break up. If it can happen to the Soviet Union, it can happen more easily to the UK. And it will. These islands will be a better place for it.

Aye, ok.

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