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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2020, 06:16:01 pm »
Scotland voted by a majority not to be "let go". It is NOT England's decision.
We agree. And it seems Westminster now agrees as it prepares for a second referendum.

I doubt very much they are preparing for a referendum any time soon.
Doubt away, but preparing they are.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2020, 06:17:39 pm »
Is there evidence that the Tories are about to ghive in and allow a second rheferendum on sheparation?  I've now heard this from not only Peter but a mhate of mine too.

Not saying you're wrong, but I've not really been reading much online.
There’s evidence, yes. The Prime Minister has received the advice from his advisers and Whitehall that it’s not wise to say no to a referendum if the SNP win big in May.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2020, 06:22:35 pm »
The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.
I could spend a lot of time and effort answering your questions above but you would just ignore it and never accept any of it. That’s Yoon MO. If you really are interested I refer you once again to Professor Blyth.

You are a British Nationalist.


London's government is 2 trillion in dept not sure there's much assets. ::)

They are also raising the pension age work till you drop because they can't afford to pay it .

We have amongst the lowest pension in Europe with pensioners having to choose whether to heat their homes or eat. :-\

No such thing as ‘London’s Government’. Showing yer anglophobia there.
You hardly meet a poor pensioner nowadays.
I remember real pensioner poverty.
Pensioner poverty now is only have 4 months in the Algarve instead of 5.


Anglophobia are you trying to say I'm anti English ? Yes I'm anti Westminster and it is based in London run by a huge majority of people from over the border that's a fact .

Pensioners poverty is huge all over the UK I've installed gas heating in folks council houses since 1982 I've seen pensioner poverty alright .
Not sure the pensioners that you know but they seem to be very lucky pensioners with more than likely a good private pension .

My private pension that I'm receiving is £200 per month I've also to now wait till I'm 66 to get a state pension how I'm I going to survive on that ?

I've never understood how it's a London government or how we are ruled by London.  Our parliament happens to be based in London, but the seats are filled with elected representatives of their various constituencies.  Scotland is easily overrepresented by this with some of our constituencies being tiny.  These seats comprising of English, Welsh, NI and Scottish MPs make the decisions.. the London ones don't have ever more clout than the others and they'll only have the most because they are the biggest city, seems fair to me.

If it's simply because England drarfs the other regions in terms of seats so they rule, then that's just about where you draw the lines.  I could argue that Shetland is ruled by the central belt using the same logic?

The barnett formula is massively favourable to Scots, hence why Nats go off the nut whenever there's talk of scrapping it.

So how is it a London government?

As for pensions, I'd imagine I see that issue completely differently from you as I will have a different political outlook entirely.  If the huge Labour vote in Scotland which switched to the SNP after the referendum really cared about equality and socialism as much as they make out then why didn't they get behind Corbyn?  He was a dyed in the wool socialist, maybe he'd have sorted the pensions thing out?  Why must it take splitting up the country?
It’s a London government because it sets policies which suit London, the South East and Middle England, where there are about 20m voters. Economic and social policy which fits there doesn’t fit for other nations of the UK. It is very London centric and conservative in its approach which people in Scotland don’t like but will never have a choice over as things stand.

However, as a country with its own parliament, legal system and first world economic infrastructure, people believe we would be better handling our own economy.


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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2020, 06:23:41 pm »
Video not playing for me .
Try again.




Eh?
It’s the video you put up.


The first one didn't work well not for me after I posted it  glad you watched it though .

I didn’t watch it.
Yes, you won’t look at what Professor Blyth has to say either.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2020, 06:43:00 pm »
Is there evidence that the Tories are about to ghive in and allow a second rheferendum on sheparation?  I've now heard this from not only Peter but a mhate of mine too.

Not saying you're wrong, but I've not really been reading much online.
There’s evidence, yes. The Prime Minister has received the advice from his advisers and Whitehall that it’s not wise to say no to a referendum if the SNP win big in May.

May’s elections are not about the constitution as that’s a reserved matter.
The SNP will try and make it about separation...but it’s not.
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2020, 06:43:55 pm »
Video not playing for me .
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Eh?
It’s the video you put up.


The first one didn't work well not for me after I posted it  glad you watched it though .

I didn’t watch it.
Yes, you won’t look at what Professor Blyth has to say either.

I don’t look at anything from ANY biased viewpoint.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2020, 06:56:59 pm »
Is there evidence that the Tories are about to ghive in and allow a second rheferendum on sheparation?  I've now heard this from not only Peter but a mhate of mine too.

Not saying you're wrong, but I've not really been reading much online.
There’s evidence, yes. The Prime Minister has received the advice from his advisers and Whitehall that it’s not wise to say no to a referendum if the SNP win big in May.

May’s elections are not about the constitution as that’s a reserved matter.
The SNP will try and make it about separation...but it’s not.
It’s about whatever the parties say it’s about. The Holyrood election will be about a referendum. You don’t like it, but you’ll have to lump it.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2020, 07:11:12 pm »
Is there evidence that the Tories are about to ghive in and allow a second rheferendum on sheparation?  I've now heard this from not only Peter but a mhate of mine too.

Not saying you're wrong, but I've not really been reading much online.
There’s evidence, yes. The Prime Minister has received the advice from his advisers and Whitehall that it’s not wise to say no to a referendum if the SNP win big in May.

May’s elections are not about the constitution as that’s a reserved matter.
The SNP will try and make it about separation...but it’s not.
It’s about whatever the parties say it’s about. The Holyrood election will be about a referendum. You don’t like it, but you’ll have to lump it.

If the SNP have their way it might be...but that’ll only be to deflect from the poor performance of the areas they have complete control over.
The gullible will fall for it.
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2020, 11:13:22 am »
Blyth the guy who agrees with brexit and says an independent Scotland rejoining will be like Greece.
These so called experts opinions (as that all it is) are great if you agree with them, not if you don't. I have read what he has said about independence and it has not made me change my mind one bit. 🙂

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #69 on: September 05, 2020, 11:22:00 am »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
To show that they're more Scottish than you.
A 25 year old guy I work with is exactly like this. He would vote for independence no matter how much worse off it would make him and the country just because I'm Scottish and **** the English. Scary stuff but there is lots of people that think like that.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2020, 11:24:04 am »
The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.
Could not agree more with your last sentence.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2020, 01:02:14 pm »
The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.
I could spend a lot of time and effort answering your questions above but you would just ignore it and never accept any of it. That’s Yoon MO. If you really are interested I refer you once again to Professor Blyth.

You are a British Nationalist.


London's government is 2 trillion in dept not sure there's much assets. ::)

They are also raising the pension age work till you drop because they can't afford to pay it .

We have amongst the lowest pension in Europe with pensioners having to choose whether to heat their homes or eat. :-\

No such thing as ‘London’s Government’. Showing yer anglophobia there.
You hardly meet a poor pensioner nowadays.
I remember real pensioner poverty.
Pensioner poverty now is only have 4 months in the Algarve instead of 5.


Anglophobia are you trying to say I'm anti English ? Yes I'm anti Westminster and it is based in London run by a huge majority of people from over the border that's a fact .

Pensioners poverty is huge all over the UK I've installed gas heating in folks council houses since 1982 I've seen pensioner poverty alright .
Not sure the pensioners that you know but they seem to be very lucky pensioners with more than likely a good private pension .

My private pension that I'm receiving is £200 per month I've also to now wait till I'm 66 to get a state pension how I'm I going to survive on that ?

I've never understood how it's a London government or how we are ruled by London.  Our parliament happens to be based in London, but the seats are filled with elected representatives of their various constituencies.  Scotland is easily overrepresented by this with some of our constituencies being tiny.  These seats comprising of English, Welsh, NI and Scottish MPs make the decisions.. the London ones don't have ever more clout than the others and they'll only have the most because they are the biggest city, seems fair to me.

If it's simply because England drarfs the other regions in terms of seats so they rule, then that's just about where you draw the lines.  I could argue that Shetland is ruled by the central belt using the same logic?

The barnett formula is massively favourable to Scots, hence why Nats go off the nut whenever there's talk of scrapping it.

So how is it a London government?

As for pensions, I'd imagine I see that issue completely differently from you as I will have a different political outlook entirely.  If the huge Labour vote in Scotland which switched to the SNP after the referendum really cared about equality and socialism as much as they make out then why didn't they get behind Corbyn?  He was a dyed in the wool socialist, maybe he'd have sorted the pensions thing out?  Why must it take splitting up the country?
It’s a London government because it sets policies which suit London, the South East and Middle England, where there are about 20m voters. Economic and social policy which fits there doesn’t fit for other nations of the UK. It is very London centric and conservative in its approach which people in Scotland don’t like but will never have a choice over as things stand.

However, as a country with its own parliament, legal system and first world economic infrastructure, people believe we would be better handling our own economy.

If the above was true, then surely it would be more logical to call it a London, South East and Middle England government then?

I don't agree that that's the case anyway.  What are the policies that suit these places?  Also, are these policies a detriment to the other places outwith London, the South East and Middle England?  If anything, I'd argue that government policy is largely bad for Londoners, especially if you're part of the white working class.  Also, in what way is government conservative in it's approach?  I'd argue that it's quite the contrary.  The Conservative party haven't actually been conservative for quite some time, especially on social issues.

Scotland doesn't have a say because Scotland isn't a constituency of the UK parliament, but each parliamentary constituency that happens to fall north of the Scottish border does indeed have as much of a say as all the others.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2020, 01:19:17 pm »
We are overrepresented at Westminster in terms of constituents per MP.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #73 on: September 05, 2020, 01:45:05 pm »
We are overrepresented at Westminster in terms of constituents per MP.
We used to be, but that was about 20 years ago.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2020, 01:46:20 pm »
We are overrepresented at Westminster in terms of constituents per MP.
We used to be, but that was about 20 years ago.

Still the case.