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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2020, 06:15:51 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2020, 06:22:13 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
To show that they're more Scottish than you.
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2020, 06:24:28 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
I think it’s fairly clear Scotland wouldn’t be poorer with independence. Professor Mark Blyth came out for independence only last week.

I think there are many unionists who support the union even if they believe and understand that it is not the best thing for the people of Scotland.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2020, 06:26:05 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
To show that they're more Scottish than you.
I’m not interested in the concept of “Scottish”. Scotland is full of people who are not “Scottish” but many of those might choose Scottish citizenship in the future.

Regardless of nationality I’m interested in what’s best for the people live and work in Scotland.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2020, 06:26:36 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
I think it’s fairly clear Scotland wouldn’t be poorer with independence. Professor Mark Blyth came out for independence only last week.

I think there are many unionists who support the union even if they believe and understand that it is not the best thing for the people of Scotland.

Fairly clear?
Not according to the Scottish governments GERS figures.
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2020, 06:28:43 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
I think it’s fairly clear Scotland wouldn’t be poorer with independence. Professor Mark Blyth came out for independence only last week.

I think there are many unionists who support the union even if they believe and understand that it is not the best thing for the people of Scotland.

Fairly clear?
Not according to the Scottish governments GERS figures.

The GERS figures don’t relate to independence as the report clearly states.

You should have a look to see what Professor Blyth has to say on the matter of an independent Scottish economy.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2020, 06:32:16 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
I think it’s fairly clear Scotland wouldn’t be poorer with independence. Professor Mark Blyth came out for independence only last week.

I think there are many unionists who support the union even if they believe and understand that it is not the best thing for the people of Scotland.

Fairly clear?
Not according to the Scottish governments GERS figures.

The GERS figures don’t relate to independence as the report clearly states.

You should have a look to see what Professor Blyth has to say on the matter of an independent Scottish economy.

I’d rather see numbers rather than what might be.
Even the Scottish gov stand on those numbers and in fact was a big part of the independence campaign.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2020, 06:33:02 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
To show that they're more Scottish than you.

Seems about the size of it.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2020, 06:34:19 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
I think it’s fairly clear Scotland wouldn’t be poorer with independence. Professor Mark Blyth came out for independence only last week.

I think there are many unionists who support the union even if they believe and understand that it is not the best thing for the people of Scotland.

Fairly clear?
Not according to the Scottish governments GERS figures.

The GERS figures don’t relate to independence as the report clearly states.

You should have a look to see what Professor Blyth has to say on the matter of an independent Scottish economy.

I’d rather see numbers rather than what might be.
Even the Scottish gov stand on those numbers and in fact was a big part of the independence campaign.
You can’t see numbers for the future. You are setting an impossible benchmark in order to avoid logic, reason and common sense.

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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2020, 06:37:40 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?
I think it’s fairly clear Scotland wouldn’t be poorer with independence. Professor Mark Blyth came out for independence only last week.

I think there are many unionists who support the union even if they believe and understand that it is not the best thing for the people of Scotland.

Fairly clear?
Not according to the Scottish governments GERS figures.

The GERS figures don’t relate to independence as the report clearly states.

You should have a look to see what Professor Blyth has to say on the matter of an independent Scottish economy.

I’d rather see numbers rather than what might be.
Even the Scottish gov stand on those numbers and in fact was a big part of the independence campaign.
You can’t see numbers for the future. You are setting an impossible benchmark in order to avoid logic, reason and common sense.

We have to start somewhere.
When I decided to leave my parents and get my own flat I based it on what I could and couldn’t afford at the time, not my future earnings.
I think that’s reasonable, logical and shows a great deal of common sense.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2020, 06:44:25 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?

The union is supposed to be a partnership of equal nations. Equating it with a parent/child dynamic is disingenuous and doesn’t help your cause.

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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2020, 06:54:07 pm »
Quoting the National as a news source is akin to getting stock market tips from Viz.
The National is crap. But it amazes me how much it upsets yoons. It’s not like they don’t have every other paper and mainstream broadcast media on their side.

What’s a ‘yoon’?

I think you know.

It’s a question that no nationalist has answered to me.
I wonder why.
Because they know you know what the answer is, perhaps.

Do you know what a moggy is?

I’m asking because I’d like to know what you mean by it.
It’s not difficult.

I mean a unionist.

Yes, and what’s your definition of a ‘unionist’?
It’s just a question.
No hidden agenda.
A person who supports the continuation of the UK union and opposes political independence for Scotland.

Why then do Nats call anyone not for them a ‘yoon’?
What do you mean?

Say you’d like an independent Scotland if the numbers worked but were anti nationalism?
Most people professing such a view are disingenuous and simply yoons.

Really?
Why would anyone vote for a party that is riven with hatred and would vote full well in the knowledge that it would make Scotland’s people poorer?

The union is supposed to be a partnership of equal nations. Equating it with a parent/child dynamic is disingenuous and doesn’t help your cause.

It’s unequal as we spend more than we take in.
Nothing to do with parent child dynamic but what is affordable.
Be interested to know what cause you think I have.
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2020, 09:03:03 pm »
The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2020, 09:12:45 pm »
The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.
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Re: Tory MSP Annie Wells....
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2020, 05:50:54 am »
The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.
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