Quote from: Hardliner on September 10, 2020, 10:00:04 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 09:49:04 am

Quote from: Hardliner on September 10, 2020, 09:44:38 am

Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.

I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.

**No sniggering at the back**

They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.

If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.

I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.

I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.

A 60% yes win would make it academic.

Quote from: Hardliner on September 10, 2020, 10:00:04 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 09:49:04 am

Quote from: Hardliner on September 10, 2020, 09:44:38 am

Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.

I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.

**No sniggering at the back**

They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.

If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.

I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.

I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.

A 60% yes win would make it academic.

Quote from: Hardliner on September 10, 2020, 10:29:55 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 10:03:20 am

Quote from: Hardliner on September 10, 2020, 10:00:04 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 09:49:04 am

Quote from: Hardliner on September 10, 2020, 09:44:38 am

Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.

I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.

**No sniggering at the back**

They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.

If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.

I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.

I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.

A 60% yes win would make it academic.

I could realistically envisage a scenario where all of the borders vote remain, including all the way to Edinburgh on the East coast.  Is that were the case, do you think Sturgeon would allow this large chunk of Scotland, including it's former capital, to remain part of the UK?

I'm sorry mate but I just can't see it.

No, I don’t think she would, and unionist politicians would be in no position to argue for it when they were happy for Scotland to be removed from EU against its vote.

Very little chance of D&G voting no at current polling levels. Borders would be close but there is a growing dynamic there where even people on the other side of the border now would prefer to be in Scotland. That part of Northumberland was strong Remain and Scotland friendly, feeling far removed from and neglected by Westminster.

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 11:27:29 am

By the way, I would point out that Shetland Councillors have voted to explore increased autonomy, not independence. Support from Shetland independence in Shetland is very low, while support for further autonomy is very high.

It was very low in 2013, but an up to date poll might say differently.

It's really beginning to grate on me, living in a country where those down south steal our money, spend it on vanity projects like new trains, suck up all the jobs, and make all political decisions to suit themselves, yet they'd be broke without our money.

Regards,
Shetlanders.