Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
...but the SNP need a 66% vote by party members to change a policy🤔
Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
...but the SNP need a 66% vote by party members to change a policy🤔
I don’t care about the SNP.
Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
I could realistically envisage a scenario where all of the borders vote remain, including all the way to Edinburgh on the East coast. Is that were the case, do you think Sturgeon would allow this large chunk of Scotland, including it's former capital, to remain part of the UK?
I'm sorry mate but I just can't see it.
Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
I could realistically envisage a scenario where all of the borders vote remain, including all the way to Edinburgh on the East coast. Is that were the case, do you think Sturgeon would allow this large chunk of Scotland, including it's former capital, to remain part of the UK?
I'm sorry mate but I just can't see it.
No, I don’t think she would, and unionist politicians would be in no position to argue for it when they were happy for Scotland to be removed from EU against its vote.
Very little chance of D&G voting no at current polling levels. Borders would be close but there is a growing dynamic there where even people on the other side of the border now would prefer to be in Scotland. That part of Northumberland was strong Remain and Scotland friendly, feeling far removed from and neglected by Westminster.
Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
I could realistically envisage a scenario where all of the borders vote remain, including all the way to Edinburgh on the East coast. Is that were the case, do you think Sturgeon would allow this large chunk of Scotland, including it's former capital, to remain part of the UK?
I'm sorry mate but I just can't see it.
No, I don’t think she would, and unionist politicians would be in no position to argue for it when they were happy for Scotland to be removed from EU against its vote.
Very little chance of D&G voting no at current polling levels. Borders would be close but there is a growing dynamic there where even people on the other side of the border now would prefer to be in Scotland. That part of Northumberland was strong Remain and Scotland friendly, feeling far removed from and neglected by Westminster.
I can't see the good Tory voting people of D&G wanting to leave the country to join a splinter nation that would go against their interests culturally, economically and logistically. Their vote of 66% No was a strong one, and they knew an EU referendum was looming.
I think Unionist politicians would be in a great position to argue for not being dragged out against their will given that Scotland would have gained 'independence' by the same premise.
If Scotland hots 60%, D&G and the borders are scraping 50%. I think the final outcome will be 61%/62% Yes.
By the way, I would point out that Shetland Councillors have voted to explore increased autonomy, not independence. Support from Shetland independence in Shetland is very low, while support for further autonomy is very high.
By the way, I would point out that Shetland Councillors have voted to explore increased autonomy, not independence. Support from Shetland independence in Shetland is very low, while support for further autonomy is very high.
It was very low in 2013, but an up to date poll might say differently.
By the way, I would point out that Shetland Councillors have voted to explore increased autonomy, not independence. Support from Shetland independence in Shetland is very low, while support for further autonomy is very high.
It was very low in 2013, but an up to date poll might say differently.
You’ve no evidence to say it has risen, and the Shetland councillors are exploring increased autonomy, not independence.
Absolutely fine with whatever Shetlanders decide.
You other support self-determination or you do not.
This has swiped your legs away, eh Pete? 😎
Eh?
I’ve always favoured increased autonomy for Shetland. Independence fine by me.
I think that with an independent Scotland Shetland would probably stay in and would have Faroe style autonomy. The relationship between Faroes and Denmark has been much strengthened.
Chances of increased autonomy for Shetland in the UK? Zero.
Was my answer not what you were hoping for?
It's a slippery slope and who's to say more Scottish regions won't follow Shetland? You could end up with a central belt independent Scotland. So, be careful what you wish for is my advice.
They wish to make Scotland poorer by voting for independence 🙈
Give us independence for Aberdonia anyday, get away from the workshy central belters. 😁
It's really beginning to grate on me, living in a country where those down south steal our money, spend it on vanity projects like new trains, suck up all the jobs, and make all political decisions to suit themselves, yet they'd be broke without our money.
Regards,
Shetlanders.
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