Quote from: PeterGrant on September 03, 2020, 09:12:45 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on September 03, 2020, 09:03:03 pm

The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 05:50:54 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 03, 2020, 09:12:45 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on September 03, 2020, 09:03:03 pm

The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.

I could spend a lot of time and effort answering your questions above but you would just ignore it and never accept any of it. That’s Yoon MO. If you really are interested I refer you once again to Professor Blyth.

You are a British Nationalist.

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 04, 2020, 06:32:34 am

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 05:50:54 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 03, 2020, 09:12:45 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on September 03, 2020, 09:03:03 pm

The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.

I could spend a lot of time and effort answering your questions above but you would just ignore it and never accept any of it. That’s Yoon MO. If you really are interested I refer you once again to Professor Blyth.

You are a British Nationalist.

Just say you don’t have the answers.
I’ll understand.
Nationalism is abhorrent so your last point is pish.

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 04, 2020, 02:49:32 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 01:33:33 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 04, 2020, 06:32:34 am

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 05:50:54 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 03, 2020, 09:12:45 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on September 03, 2020, 09:03:03 pm

The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.

I could spend a lot of time and effort answering your questions above but you would just ignore it and never accept any of it. That’s Yoon MO. If you really are interested I refer you once again to Professor Blyth.

You are a British Nationalist.

Just say you don’t have the answers.
I’ll understand.
Nationalism is abhorrent so your last point is pish.

You don’t answer any questions put to you.

I’m not going to the effort of spoon feeding you only for you to then claim you haven’t been fed.

As I said, just say you don’t know.
You can’t even say what currency we would use.

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 01:36:31 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 04, 2020, 11:25:32 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 04, 2020, 06:32:34 am

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 05:50:54 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 03, 2020, 09:12:45 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on September 03, 2020, 09:03:03 pm

The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.

I could spend a lot of time and effort answering your questions above but you would just ignore it and never accept any of it. That’s Yoon MO. If you really are interested I refer you once again to Professor Blyth.

You are a British Nationalist.

London's government is 2 trillion in dept not sure there's much assets.

They are also raising the pension age work till you drop because they can't afford to pay it .

We have amongst the lowest pension in Europe with pensioners having to choose whether to heat their homes or eat.

No such thing as ‘London’s Government’. Showing yer anglophobia there.
You hardly meet a poor pensioner nowadays.
I remember real pensioner poverty.
Pensioner poverty now is only have 4 months in the Algarve instead of 5.

Anglophobia are you trying to say I'm anti English ? Yes I'm anti Westminster and it is based in London run by a huge majority of people from over the border that's a fact .

Pensioners poverty is huge all over the UK I've installed gas heating in folks council houses since 1982 I've seen pensioner poverty alright .
Not sure the pensioners that you know but they seem to be very lucky pensioners with more than likely a good private pension .

My private pension that I'm receiving is £200 per month I've also to now wait till I'm 66 to get a state pension how I'm I going to survive on that ?

British Nationalists are always so comfortable and content with the UK having the worst pensions by far in Western Europe. This poverty of ambition is another reason why people agitate for change.

Scotland voted by a majority not to be "let go". It is NOT England's decision.

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 01:36:31 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 04, 2020, 11:25:32 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 04, 2020, 06:32:34 am

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 04, 2020, 05:50:54 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 03, 2020, 09:12:45 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on September 03, 2020, 09:03:03 pm

The economics is a side issue for me, although I still think the Union and a more capitalist government would serve us better than a more socialist government under a separate Scotland.

Would Scotland get into the EU?  Especially with our astronomical amount of debt?  Would we have to pay it off via austerity which apparently only those 'evil' Tories are into?
Would the people of Scotland want back in the EU if other member countries leave?
Would Scots want to ditch the pound for the Euro?
Would we have a hard border with England if we joined the EU?

My main reasons for wanting to remain part of the UK are to do with identity, culture and history.  People just seem to eager to throw so much away.  Nihilism, bitterness and social justice wokery seem to have overtaken structure, identity and tradition these days.

Why would we want to give up the monarchy?  Let's face it, that would eventually happen.  As well as bringing cash into the coffers, it's a brilliant bit of tradition and so interesting to read about.

Everyone acts like Scotland is a nation that's always been there and it was forced into a union and England now own us or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.  Scotland is a relatively new concept, and kingdoms before that crossed the 'borders' such as Dalriada, Strathclye and Northumbria for example.

The Union has served us bloody well!  If Scotland splits off then I'll be sad and embarrassed of my country.  I won't make any hysterical comments about moving to England, because I won't, but I'd be heartbroken.

Scotland doesn’t currently have any real debt. It will when it is independent but all countries do, just as all businesses do. The advantage is that economic policy would be tailored to suit Scotland’s needs, not Westminster’s. And our assets will be worth far more than our debt, which is the definition of solvency.

Will we join the EU? I don’t care either way much.

Will there be crippling austerity? Less likely with independence than in the Union and it will be less callously managed.

Will there be a socialist Scottish Government? Unlikely.

On the question of culture, the most damaging thing to British culture in modern times is the union. People loathe the ugly side of British culture and it’s history, and how it seeks to pervade over other cultures. But Scotland will still be part of Britain after independence just as Norway remained part of Scandinavia after its independence.

Independence has strengthened Scandinavian culture and improved the bonds between equal sovereign states. And indeed Nordic culture with the Nordic Council.

Unionists, if they believe in British common ties as their main motivation, should be seeking a velvet divorce as was done with Czecheslovakia. Respect for Scotland with partnership and recognition of its sovereign people would build a great bank of good will across these islands.

What economic policies will an iScotland  enact that it can’t do now?
Which assets?
Which currency?
Scotland played a big part in British culture and its history, loathed or not.
I’ve never felt I’ve had culture pervaded on me.
Nationalism is abhorrent.

I could spend a lot of time and effort answering your questions above but you would just ignore it and never accept any of it. That’s Yoon MO. If you really are interested I refer you once again to Professor Blyth.

You are a British Nationalist.

London's government is 2 trillion in dept not sure there's much assets.

They are also raising the pension age work till you drop because they can't afford to pay it .

We have amongst the lowest pension in Europe with pensioners having to choose whether to heat their homes or eat.

No such thing as ‘London’s Government’. Showing yer anglophobia there.
You hardly meet a poor pensioner nowadays.
I remember real pensioner poverty.
Pensioner poverty now is only have 4 months in the Algarve instead of 5.

Anglophobia are you trying to say I'm anti English ? Yes I'm anti Westminster and it is based in London run by a huge majority of people from over the border that's a fact .

Pensioners poverty is huge all over the UK I've installed gas heating in folks council houses since 1982 I've seen pensioner poverty alright .
Not sure the pensioners that you know but they seem to be very lucky pensioners with more than likely a good private pension .

My private pension that I'm receiving is £200 per month I've also to now wait till I'm 66 to get a state pension how I'm I going to survive on that ?