Quote from: LionMo on September 07, 2020, 10:17:48 am

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 04:53:49 pm

If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.

It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.

Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.

You don't exactly have to look for it, the wee tyrant is on tv just about every day.  As I said its talked about 9 days out of 10 in the pub.
And I say a lot worse in real life than I do on here

Like I said, it's not even an issue in my life. Folk spoke about it at the time it was happening and apart from the odd comment here and there it isn't a main topic with anyone that I see daily, weekly, or even now and then.

Maybe it is for the older generation, not being cheeky BTW. I think you're a bit older than me.

The most I see it is on social media and both sides give it as good as they get, which IMO is pointless because the type that post about it on social media are very unlikely to change their minds and it just goes round and round in circles, ends up in name calling and one-upmanship until the next time a debate starts.

It was quite a surprise to me to see how many people were well into it when I joined Scotland mad about 10 year ago and it dragged me in a bit. I try to stay away from it nowadays but I may put a comment in here or there if I feel like it.

Just the way I see it.

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 07, 2020, 10:56:56 am

Quote from: LionMo on September 07, 2020, 10:17:48 am

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 04:53:49 pm

If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.

It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.

Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.

You don't exactly have to look for it, the wee tyrant is on tv just about every day.  As I said its talked about 9 days out of 10 in the pub.
And I say a lot worse in real life than I do on here

Like I said, it's not even an issue in my life. Folk spoke about it at the time it was happening and apart from the odd comment here and there it isn't a main topic with anyone that I see daily, weekly, or even now and then.

Maybe it is for the older generation, not being cheeky BTW. I think you're a bit older than me.

The most I see it is on social media and both sides give it as good as they get, which IMO is pointless because the type that post about it on social media are very unlikely to change their minds and it just goes round and round in circles, ends up in name calling and one-upmanship until the next time a debate starts.

It was quite a surprise to me to see how many people were well into it when I joined Scotland mad about 10 year ago and it dragged me in a bit. I try to stay away from it nowadays but I may put a comment in here or there if I feel like it.

Just the way I see it.

Fair enough, and your not been cheeky 🤔
I you can go round and round. 🤷‍♂️

Quote from: Buc on September 07, 2020, 10:51:59 am

Quote from: AJ on September 07, 2020, 07:45:07 am

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 02:17:50 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:13:07 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:59:51 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:47:28 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:55:19 pm

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Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.

Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .

When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .

The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.

What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.

What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?

Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...

The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .

Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .

Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.

What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?

Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.

The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .

Are you absolutely sure they get 3 or 4 times the salary of British workers? How much tax do they pay on average compared to us?

Quote from: AJ on September 07, 2020, 12:06:39 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 07, 2020, 10:51:59 am

Quote from: AJ on September 07, 2020, 07:45:07 am

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 02:17:50 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:13:07 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:59:51 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:47:28 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:55:19 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.

Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .

When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .

The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.

What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.

What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?

Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...

The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .

Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .

Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.

What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?

Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.

The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .

Are you absolutely sure they get 3 or 4 times the salary of British workers? How much tax do they pay on average compared to us?

A wee bump as nothing was forthcoming...or about Norwegian foodbanks.
The Nats always use Norway as an example...but never mention the Vikings....but continually mention the British empire as a bad thing.
Strange people.