Quote from: PeterGrant on September 07, 2020, 08:59:16 am

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 07, 2020, 08:46:37 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 07, 2020, 08:37:38 am

Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.

Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.

It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.

We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.

Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.

The Union doesn’t want you.

That wasn’t on the ballot paper.
It was Leave or Remain.
Who says it’s not getting a special deal?
Are you privy to negotiations?
Can you give us the inside track?

The leave campaign promised a fantastic trade deal when asking people to vote Leave. Not No Deal. Didn’t they?

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 07, 2020, 09:10:17 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 07, 2020, 08:59:16 am

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 07, 2020, 08:46:37 am

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 07, 2020, 08:37:38 am

Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.

Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.

It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.

We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.

Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.

The Union doesn’t want you.

That wasn’t on the ballot paper.
It was Leave or Remain.
Who says it’s not getting a special deal?
Are you privy to negotiations?
Can you give us the inside track?

The leave campaign promised a fantastic trade deal when asking people to vote Leave. Not No Deal. Didn’t they?

It was leave or remain.
People believe what they want to believe.
I voted remain but the majority voted leave.
Majority wins.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 03:57:01 pm

Quote from: Coyne on September 06, 2020, 03:37:09 pm

Mo, don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you are being a drama queen.

I’ve never heard of anyone falling out, I sit in the Derry and nobody discusses this as they are watching the match.

I never hear anyone argue about it in the pub before or after a match.

I never hear anyone argue about it on a bus to an away game.

Basically, I’ve never heard anyone fall out about this with friends, family or colleagues, as that would just be stupid.

It was just before the referendum Coyne. I got absolute dogs abuse from people all around where I sat because I was voting no. It was a total eye opener and put me off going to watch the club I held a season ticket with for years.

Last game I went to at Dens was a couple of seasons ago when we played Celtic. Was in Whites bar with a couple of mates when the green brigade walked in. A couple of minutes later we walked put as they started singing their ira pish. Then at Dens the songs they sang and the way they behaved means I will never attend a celtic game again. Will go and watch the Dee at some point but prefer to go to away games.
Missus much prefers going to watch Millwall though.
And honestly mate and I know its stupid but I know and have myself been fallen out with because of my political beliefs. And hand on heart I can say it was not my fault at all.
Thats life 🤷‍♂️

Listen, yer full of **** shite.

A Millwall fan now who had no allegiance to them growing up.

Massive Dee who no longer goes 😂.

Save me the bullshit, yer a complete a **** whopper.

How did people in the Derry know you voted no?

Honestly, you were a **** crackpot on the old board, even more so now.

You still wearing Clone Island 😂😂😂

How do you know what I had allegiance to or didn't to when I was growing up ?

Don't go because I work 5 out of 6 weekends.

What a stupid question. We were away to vote on Scotlands future so we were talking about it



No I had 1stone island t shirt that was bought for me as a gift. Its worn out now so do not have 1 article of their clothing.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 02:34:25 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 02:22:33 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:57:10 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:51:48 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .

There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .

And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .

It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .

And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly

It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.

I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.

But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.

Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.

I don't know what your life is like but it doesn't even get talked about in my life, doesn't get mentioned at work, doesn't get mentioned in social circles.

Only place is online.

My life is good thanks. Politics gets talked about 9 days out of 10 at the pub. Not at work though as it cannot bring any good.

If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.

It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.

Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.

You don't exactly have to look for it, the wee tyrant is on tv just about every day.  As I said its talked about 9 days out of 10 in the pub.
And I say a lot worse in real life than I do on here

Quote from: Coyne on September 06, 2020, 04:48:18 pm

Quote from: Fremsley on September 06, 2020, 04:38:29 pm

I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?

He is full of **** shite, still the same roaster as before.

Millwall 😂😂😂

How old are you ?

Not about age but intelligence.

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 02:17:50 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:13:07 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:59:51 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:47:28 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:55:19 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.

Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .

When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .

The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.

What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.

What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?

Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...

The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .

Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .

Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.

What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?

Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.

The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .

Quote from: LionMo on September 07, 2020, 10:15:17 am

Quote from: Coyne on September 06, 2020, 04:48:18 pm

Quote from: Fremsley on September 06, 2020, 04:38:29 pm

I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?

He is full of **** shite, still the same roaster as before.

Millwall 😂😂😂

How old are you ?

Not about age but intelligence.

Very true