I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actual attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actually attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
Where do you get your figures from ?
My son did do a count in the Edinburgh one last year working out an average taking in the time of the march from start to finish .
I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actually attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
Where do you get your figures from ?
My son did do a count in the Edinburgh one last year working out an average taking in the time of the march from start to finish .
'A Force For Good' - They go through the marches on video and count sections, multiplying depending on the time it takes it pass.
Pretty sure they are generous too with the counting too e.g. if a Palestine, Catalan, Ireland flag or other type of banner obscures the sight of a section, they'll count the maximum amount that could be obscured.
I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actually attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
Where do you get your figures from ?
My son did do a count in the Edinburgh one last year working out an average taking in the time of the march from start to finish .
'A Force For Good' - They go through the marches on video and count sections, multiplying depending on the time it takes it pass.
Pretty sure they are generous too with the counting too e.g. if a Palestine, Catalan, Ireland flag or other type of banner obscures the sight of a section, they'll count the maximum amount that could be obscured.
I can tell you both group's are well off .
But I've never seen them video a whole march or even do a count . The guy who organises the FFG is actually a really nice guy I've spoke to him and shook his hand after the Aberdeen march . Very approachable.
Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?
Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
Did anyone on here say that?
It was said across the road and by many others.
Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
Did anyone on here say that?
It was said across the road and by many others.
Was it not that you didn’t have to be a racist to vote for Brexit but that all racists voted for Brexit? I think it’s a crass point myself, although probably correct.
Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
Did anyone on here say that?
It was said across the road and by many others.
Was it not that you didn’t have to be a racist to vote for Brexit but that all racists voted for Brexit? I think it’s a crass point myself, although probably correct.
That is probably fairly accurate as obviously not all people that voted for it are racist.
Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
But Buc keeps telling us Westminster DOES want us? 🤔
Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
But Buc keeps telling us Westminster DOES want us? 🤔
Boris might. The electorate in England don’t.
Neither Boris nor the electorate wants NI.
Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
That wasn’t on the ballot paper.
It was Leave or Remain.
Who says it’s not getting a special deal?
Are you privy to negotiations?
Can you give us the inside track?
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