Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:27:22 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 12:57:19 pm

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Without WM, we wouldn’t have had to hand over our revenues in the first place for it to be handed back as pocket money. Smaller and less well equipped countries that Scotland have looked after their people better during the pandemic.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .

There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .

And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .

It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:47:28 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:55:19 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.

Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .

When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .

The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .

There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .

And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .

It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:47:28 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:55:19 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.

Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .

When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .

The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:57:10 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:51:48 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .

There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .

And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .

It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .

And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly

The country has politically been split in 2 back in the 60s I saw massive fights with Torie voters and labour voters even at work it's not a new thing .
Politics split in 2 is a worldwide thing .

The SNP were supposed to never take control of Scotland it was designed in area voting but they didn't allow for a massive surge .

I remember 20.000 now over 120k members and having party meetings in small halls to selling out in Glasgow massive changes and for the better .

I go to some marches I haven't myself seen one fight with yoons or indeed anyone else .

Loads of families we dogs pipe bands even a lad we a big speaker on a trolley playing disco music it's a massive day out .

We do have a band of flag waving unionists probably around 30 to 50 that's it but they do their thing and we do ours .
We are on 55% but my worry is the many unionist press will start the  front page scare stories again remember the leader of the no vote said without the press backing of the scare stories we would've struggled to win ..
I can smell the fear .

Independence is normal .

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:47:28 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:55:19 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.

Yeah, most people don’t really buy that bullshit anymore.

So what else are you offering?