Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 11:18:01 am

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Quote from: AJ on September 06, 2020, 10:12:43 am

The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.

Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.

Westmonster's fault? 🙄

No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.

Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔

I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.

I honestly do not get it when the figures and other worlds leading economists say otherwise. Personally I think we would be walking into a financial disaster with austerity max.
I cannot get my head round an obviously intelligent guy that has done very well for himself will even take the risk. Especially when you have kids as well.
I get the dafties like the 25 in my work who is freedom, **** England etc... who does not have a clue. But someone like you, why ? 🤔

The world’s leading economists don’t take that view though, it’s just false to say they do.

The one you quoted says that we would be like Greece if we were to join the eu as an independent country. He supported brexit, do you agree with him?

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.

That wouldn’t keep the natives on side though.
The gullible always fall for it.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:27:22 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 12:57:19 pm

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.

I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.