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The rise of the Yes vote
« on: September 06, 2020, 10:00:47 am »
I must admit, I'm a bit confused with this, something just doesn't add up.

With the opinion polls showing an increase in support for splitting up the country, what is the reason for this?

To me, it seems that this has mainly taken place during the pandemic.  There was a slight, knee-jerk bounce after the Brexit vote, but that fell away.

Is it just the optics of Sturgeon versus Boris with regards to COVID press briefings?  If so, I can't see it being sustainable once a vaccine is eventually created.  Let's also not forget that opinion polling consistently showed a considerably smaller gap between Yes and No than the actual referendum did, there's no reason to suggest the same still isn't the case.

I've also noticed Wings Over Bath consistently showing anger toward Sturgeon for parking calls for a referendum on separation until this is over.  What do our resident Nationalists think of his attitudes toward her?

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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2020, 10:09:48 am »
The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.

Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.

At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.

But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.

It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.

Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.


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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2020, 10:11:31 am »
I share a lot of Wings’ frustration with Nicola Sturgeon. I think she was a great Health Minister but she is a very poor First Minister and an even worse party leader.

She is up to her neck in the plot to frame and eliminate Salmond and she surrounds herself with all kids of wokie weirdos. She is also breathtakingly arrogant.

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2020, 10:12:43 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2020, 10:15:50 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2020, 10:25:23 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2020, 10:40:44 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
And the big bad Tories. The snp are never, ever going to take the blame for totally **** the country up. Of course its their fault. They have more money to spend per head than the rest of the UK, get back much more from the barnett formula than we send down to WM. If we had independence we would be even worse off. God forbid that ever happens. Its about time as you say to stop the neverendum and sort the total mess out they have created. They will not though as they are a bunch of incompetent, selfish bastards. **** me I hate this country sometimes.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2020, 10:41:27 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2020, 10:49:12 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.

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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2020, 10:57:01 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔

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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2020, 11:03:36 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.

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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2020, 11:18:01 am »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.
I honestly do not get it when the figures and other worlds leading economists say otherwise. Personally I think we would be walking into a financial disaster with austerity max.
I cannot get my head round an obviously intelligent guy that has done very well for himself will even take the risk. Especially when you have kids as well.
I get the dafties like the 25 in my work who is freedom, **** England etc... who does not have a clue. But someone like you, why ? 🤔

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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm »
Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2020, 12:06:19 pm »
The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.
I honestly do not get it when the figures and other worlds leading economists say otherwise. Personally I think we would be walking into a financial disaster with austerity max.
I cannot get my head round an obviously intelligent guy that has done very well for himself will even take the risk. Especially when you have kids as well.
I get the dafties like the 25 in my work who is freedom, **** England etc... who does not have a clue. But someone like you, why ? 🤔
The world’s leading economists don’t take that view though, it’s just false to say they do.

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Re: The rise of the Yes vote
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm »
Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,