He added: “The SNP has changed dramatically since the last referendum on independence, with a major influx of disenfranchised Labour supporters, plus Yes campaigners. The SNP is no longer a slightly left of centre party but a far-left extremist movement that is buying votes by giving out freebies, passing legislation that gives greater state control while curtailing free speech, misleading a membership in the belief that Scotland can re-join the EU, and regain our fishing rights offering a wealthy and prosperous outcome.”

https://www.dng24.co.uk/party-switch-councillor-reveals-indy-concerns-2/

It seems that this guy has not only managed to break free from the cult's shackles, but has even managed to do a complete U-turn.

Hopefully others continue to follow suit.

There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:21:15 pm

There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.

Last sentence 🤔

Should be a ‘with’ in there.

You the board pedant?

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:22:25 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:21:15 pm

There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.

Last sentence 🤔

Should be a ‘with’ in there.

You the board pedant?

And we all know who the boards pedant is

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:28:23 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:25:55 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:22:25 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:21:15 pm

There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.

Last sentence 🤔

Should be a ‘with’ in there.

You the board pedant?

I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right

Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.

Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:34:52 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:31:38 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:28:23 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:25:55 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:22:25 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:21:15 pm

There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.

Last sentence 🤔

Should be a ‘with’ in there.

You the board pedant?

I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right

Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.

Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though

And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.

Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.

What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 02:25:28 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:38:58 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:34:52 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:31:38 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:28:23 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:25:55 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 21, 2020, 01:22:25 pm

Quote from: Ellondandy on September 21, 2020, 01:21:15 pm

There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.

Last sentence 🤔

Should be a ‘with’ in there.

You the board pedant?

I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right

Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.

Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though

And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.

Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.

What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.

Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.

There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is  vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.