Quote from: PeterGrant on August 27, 2020, 02:21:04 pm

You honestly can’t understand that a lot of people don’t like the kinds of things listed above?

People look at that pile of crap and compare it to the living standards in other similar sized independent countries. People have ambition and aspiration. They want a better life for themselves and their children. It’s human nature, at a very base level.

That unionists can’t understand that, and expect people to just be thankful for what they have, is their undoing.

I could post you a pile of crap brought upon us by the snp. We have a very good standard of living that I'm pretty sure would be a lot worse if independence happened and the austerity thst would come with it.. You can have as much ambition and aspiration you want just now.
I can't understand why people would put our childrens future at risk for a pipe dream. I find it incredible. If the nationalists had accepted they lost a once in a generation vote and got on with things Scotland would be a much happier place imo. My personal experiences are I've fallen out with a good friend, my brother in law, a workmate, the season ticket holders at Dens that I sat beside for years, guys I went to Scotland matches with for years etc... It is horrible. I despise the snp and the thought of independence gives me the fear. Ths country would be unbearable to live in if the unthinkable happened. It is bad enough just now at times. As I said mate we will never ever agree or see eye to eye on this subject. That is what the nationalists have done to our country 🙁

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 04:43:51 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on August 27, 2020, 02:21:04 pm

You honestly can’t understand that a lot of people don’t like the kinds of things listed above?

People look at that pile of crap and compare it to the living standards in other similar sized independent countries. People have ambition and aspiration. They want a better life for themselves and their children. It’s human nature, at a very base level.

That unionists can’t understand that, and expect people to just be thankful for what they have, is their undoing.

I could post you a pile of crap brought upon us by the snp. We have a very good standard of living that I'm pretty sure would be a lot worse if independence happened and the austerity thst would come with it.. You can have as much ambition and aspiration you want just now.
I can't understand why people would put our childrens future at risk for a pipe dream. I find it incredible. If the nationalists had accepted they lost a once in a generation vote and got on with things Scotland would be a much happier place imo. My personal experiences are I've fallen out with a good friend, my brother in law, a workmate, the season ticket holders at Dens that I sat beside for years, guys I went to Scotland matches with for years etc... It is horrible. I despise the snp and the thought of independence gives me the fear. Ths country would be unbearable to live in if the unthinkable happened. It is bad enough just now at times. As I said mate we will never ever agree or see eye to eye on this subject. That is what the nationalists have done to our country 🙁

I’m quite happy to disagree. It is rarely independence supporters who get upset about it in my experience.

A better standard of living through control of our own economy and government which puts Scotland’s interests first isn’t a pipe dream. You can ignore New Zealand, Republic of Ireland, Norway and Switzerland but the majority of people here want something better for their children and aren’t happy with Westminster’s dealings in Scotland.

It’s just normal for countries to be independent sovereign states.

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 01:00:59 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on August 27, 2020, 11:42:45 am

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 11:41:10 am

And meanwhile Sturgeon keeps getting the begging bowl out to WM. We would have been truely **** if we had been independent, crisis or no crisis, imo of course.

Every country which has ever become independent from the UK has been they couldn’t cope financially. Not one has ever sought a return to Westminster control of their economies.

We would have austerity for a long, long time if we became independent. Voting to make us so much poorer is absolutely ridiculous for a pipe dream imo. It is gettibg so boring now, why cannot people just accept that we voted no and get on with our lifes. Have another vote in 20-30 years time. It is totally ruining livibg here imo. I really hate it 🙁 It makes me very sad 🙁

Come doon to England then - the land of Milk and Honey....

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 01:00:59 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on August 27, 2020, 11:42:45 am

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 11:41:10 am

And meanwhile Sturgeon keeps getting the begging bowl out to WM. We would have been truely **** if we had been independent, crisis or no crisis, imo of course.

Every country which has ever become independent from the UK has been they couldn’t cope financially. Not one has ever sought a return to Westminster control of their economies.

We would have austerity for a long, long time if we became independent. Voting to make us so much poorer is absolutely ridiculous for a pipe dream imo. It is gettibg so boring now, why cannot people just accept that we voted no and get on with our lifes. Have another vote in 20-30 years time. It is totally ruining livibg here imo. I really hate it 🙁 It makes me very sad 🙁

Come doon to England then - the land of Milk and Honey....

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 05:55:32 pm

Quote from: Claudeballs on August 27, 2020, 05:43:47 pm

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 01:00:59 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on August 27, 2020, 11:42:45 am

Quote from: LionMo on August 27, 2020, 11:41:10 am

And meanwhile Sturgeon keeps getting the begging bowl out to WM. We would have been truely **** if we had been independent, crisis or no crisis, imo of course.

Every country which has ever become independent from the UK has been they couldn’t cope financially. Not one has ever sought a return to Westminster control of their economies.

We would have austerity for a long, long time if we became independent. Voting to make us so much poorer is absolutely ridiculous for a pipe dream imo. It is gettibg so boring now, why cannot people just accept that we voted no and get on with our lifes. Have another vote in 20-30 years time. It is totally ruining livibg here imo. I really hate it 🙁 It makes me very sad 🙁

Come doon to England then - the land of Milk and Honey....

Where are you in gods country mate? 🤔😀

Not in Scotland yet. Just sold my hoose in England and will be back in Scotland in next few months, all being well. 

Quote from: PeterGrant on August 27, 2020, 02:21:04 pm

You honestly can’t understand that a lot of people don’t like the kinds of things listed above?

People look at that pile of crap and compare it to the living standards in other similar sized independent countries. People have ambition and aspiration. They want a better life for themselves and their children. It’s human nature, at a very base level.

That unionists can’t understand that, and expect people to just be thankful for what they have, is their undoing.

I could post you a pile of crap brought upon us by the snp. We have a very good standard of living that I'm pretty sure would be a lot worse if independence happened and the austerity thst would come with it.. You can have as much ambition and aspiration you want just now.
I can't understand why people would put our childrens future at risk for a pipe dream. I find it incredible. If the nationalists had accepted they lost a once in a generation vote and got on with things Scotland would be a much happier place imo. My personal experiences are I've fallen out with a good friend, my brother in law, a workmate, the season ticket holders at Dens that I sat beside for years, guys I went to Scotland matches with for years etc... It is horrible. I despise the snp and the thought of independence gives me the fear. Ths country would be unbearable to live in if the unthinkable happened. It is bad enough just now at times. As I said mate we will never ever agree or see eye to eye on this subject. That is what the nationalists have done to our country 🙁