Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 03:27:58 pm

I tend to just ignore labels like xenophobic and racist and say what I think to be honest.  We have a culture where people are scared to be labelled, which is rather depressing.

I see free movement within the EU as a disaster.  People being able to come over, live in an overcrowded flat without families or mortgages to pay, allowing them to undercut native tradesman is not a good thing.  It can and has put some out of business.  This sort of thing matters more to me than people being able to study abroad.  I know someone who this happened to and it caused major disruption to their life which included trying to support a wife and weans, but hey... how dare this gammon complain.. the dirty xenophobic racist that he is, eh?

It was especially amusing to watch those of the left suddenly develop this huge love of the EU which they never used to have.  Suddenly they were obsessed with it, despite it being a largely right-wing, free market, globalist institution.  The EU does not wage equality whatsoever.

I was a very soft leave voter, as I can see both good and bad in us being part of the EU, but the bad outweighed the good in the end for me.

As for the indigenous population, well it looks like they'll be a minority in the UK by 2066 now, which to me is a shame.

I was a very soft remain voter for the same reasons. I really don’t like or care about the EU.

I’m not bothered about the skin colours of people on this island in 2066. No strong view either way but their is a certain poetry to it. The British supplanted indigenous populations for hundreds of years, so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 03:27:58 pm

I tend to just ignore labels like xenophobic and racist and say what I think to be honest.  We have a culture where people are scared to be labelled, which is rather depressing.

I see free movement within the EU as a disaster.  People being able to come over, live in an overcrowded flat without families or mortgages to pay, allowing them to undercut native tradesman is not a good thing.  It can and has put some out of business.  This sort of thing matters more to me than people being able to study abroad.  I know someone who this happened to and it caused major disruption to their life which included trying to support a wife and weans, but hey... how dare this gammon complain.. the dirty xenophobic racist that he is, eh?

It was especially amusing to watch those of the left suddenly develop this huge love of the EU which they never used to have.  Suddenly they were obsessed with it, despite it being a largely right-wing, free market, globalist institution.  The EU does not wage equality whatsoever.

I was a very soft leave voter, as I can see both good and bad in us being part of the EU, but the bad outweighed the good in the end for me.

As for the indigenous population, well it looks like they'll be a minority in the UK by 2066 now, which to me is a shame.

I was a very soft remain voter for the same reasons. I really don’t like or care about the EU.

I’m not bothered about the skin colours of people on this island in 2066. No strong view either way but their is a certain poetry to it. The British supplanted indigenous populations for hundreds of years, so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Quote from: PeterGrant on December 16, 2020, 03:33:01 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 03:27:58 pm

I tend to just ignore labels like xenophobic and racist and say what I think to be honest.  We have a culture where people are scared to be labelled, which is rather depressing.

I see free movement within the EU as a disaster.  People being able to come over, live in an overcrowded flat without families or mortgages to pay, allowing them to undercut native tradesman is not a good thing.  It can and has put some out of business.  This sort of thing matters more to me than people being able to study abroad.  I know someone who this happened to and it caused major disruption to their life which included trying to support a wife and weans, but hey... how dare this gammon complain.. the dirty xenophobic racist that he is, eh?

It was especially amusing to watch those of the left suddenly develop this huge love of the EU which they never used to have.  Suddenly they were obsessed with it, despite it being a largely right-wing, free market, globalist institution.  The EU does not wage equality whatsoever.

I was a very soft leave voter, as I can see both good and bad in us being part of the EU, but the bad outweighed the good in the end for me.

As for the indigenous population, well it looks like they'll be a minority in the UK by 2066 now, which to me is a shame.

I was a very soft remain voter for the same reasons. I really don’t like or care about the EU.

I’m not bothered about the skin colours of people on this island in 2066. No strong view either way but their is a certain poetry to it. The British supplanted indigenous populations for hundreds of years, so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

You may not care about skin colours in 2066, but Humza cares about them in 2020.

I tend to just ignore labels like xenophobic and racist and say what I think to be honest.  We have a culture where people are scared to be labelled, which is rather depressing.

I see free movement within the EU as a disaster.  People being able to come over, live in an overcrowded flat without families or mortgages to pay, allowing them to undercut native tradesman is not a good thing.  It can and has put some out of business.  This sort of thing matters more to me than people being able to study abroad.  I know someone who this happened to and it caused major disruption to their life which included trying to support a wife and weans, but hey... how dare this gammon complain.. the dirty xenophobic racist that he is, eh?

It was especially amusing to watch those of the left suddenly develop this huge love of the EU which they never used to have.  Suddenly they were obsessed with it, despite it being a largely right-wing, free market, globalist institution.  The EU is not good for wage equality whatsoever.

I was a very soft leave voter, as I can see both good and bad in us being part of the EU, but the bad outweighed the good in the end for me.

As for the indigenous population, well it looks like they'll be a minority in the UK by 2066 now, which to me is a shame.

Quote from: Jake Roberts on December 16, 2020, 05:31:00 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 03:27:58 pm

I tend to just ignore labels like xenophobic and racist and say what I think to be honest.  We have a culture where people are scared to be labelled, which is rather depressing.

I see free movement within the EU as a disaster.  People being able to come over, live in an overcrowded flat without families or mortgages to pay, allowing them to undercut native tradesman is not a good thing.  It can and has put some out of business.  This sort of thing matters more to me than people being able to study abroad.  I know someone who this happened to and it caused major disruption to their life which included trying to support a wife and weans, but hey... how dare this gammon complain.. the dirty xenophobic racist that he is, eh?

It was especially amusing to watch those of the left suddenly develop this huge love of the EU which they never used to have.  Suddenly they were obsessed with it, despite it being a largely right-wing, free market, globalist institution.  The EU is not good for wage equality whatsoever.

I was a very soft leave voter, as I can see both good and bad in us being part of the EU, but the bad outweighed the good in the end for me.

As for the indigenous population, well it looks like they'll be a minority in the UK by 2066 now, which to me is a shame.

At the same time campaigning to come out of the EU wasn't really a thing until Nige put that message on the side of a bus.

UKIP was founded in the early 90's was it not?

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 05:34:50 pm

Quote from: Jake Roberts on December 16, 2020, 05:31:00 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 03:27:58 pm

I tend to just ignore labels like xenophobic and racist and say what I think to be honest.  We have a culture where people are scared to be labelled, which is rather depressing.

I see free movement within the EU as a disaster.  People being able to come over, live in an overcrowded flat without families or mortgages to pay, allowing them to undercut native tradesman is not a good thing.  It can and has put some out of business.  This sort of thing matters more to me than people being able to study abroad.  I know someone who this happened to and it caused major disruption to their life which included trying to support a wife and weans, but hey... how dare this gammon complain.. the dirty xenophobic racist that he is, eh?

It was especially amusing to watch those of the left suddenly develop this huge love of the EU which they never used to have.  Suddenly they were obsessed with it, despite it being a largely right-wing, free market, globalist institution.  The EU is not good for wage equality whatsoever.

I was a very soft leave voter, as I can see both good and bad in us being part of the EU, but the bad outweighed the good in the end for me.

As for the indigenous population, well it looks like they'll be a minority in the UK by 2066 now, which to me is a shame.

At the same time campaigning to come out of the EU wasn't really a thing until Nige put that message on the side of a bus.

UKIP was founded in the early 90's was it not?

When did anyone start taking any notice of them?
Just saying, there was no huge movement before the Tories threatened to defect to UKIP.

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 05:44:36 pm

Quote from: Jake Roberts on December 16, 2020, 05:38:50 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 05:34:50 pm

Quote from: Jake Roberts on December 16, 2020, 05:31:00 pm

Quote from: Hardliner on December 16, 2020, 03:27:58 pm

I tend to just ignore labels like xenophobic and racist and say what I think to be honest.  We have a culture where people are scared to be labelled, which is rather depressing.

I see free movement within the EU as a disaster.  People being able to come over, live in an overcrowded flat without families or mortgages to pay, allowing them to undercut native tradesman is not a good thing.  It can and has put some out of business.  This sort of thing matters more to me than people being able to study abroad.  I know someone who this happened to and it caused major disruption to their life which included trying to support a wife and weans, but hey... how dare this gammon complain.. the dirty xenophobic racist that he is, eh?

It was especially amusing to watch those of the left suddenly develop this huge love of the EU which they never used to have.  Suddenly they were obsessed with it, despite it being a largely right-wing, free market, globalist institution.  The EU is not good for wage equality whatsoever.

I was a very soft leave voter, as I can see both good and bad in us being part of the EU, but the bad outweighed the good in the end for me.

As for the indigenous population, well it looks like they'll be a minority in the UK by 2066 now, which to me is a shame.

At the same time campaigning to come out of the EU wasn't really a thing until Nige put that message on the side of a bus.

UKIP was founded in the early 90's was it not?

When did anyone start taking any notice of them?
Just saying, there was no huge movement before the Tories threatened to defect to UKIP.

Mmmh.  I'd say leaving the EU was in the public consciousness before the defection threats.

Not for your average man.