They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

Here’s a couple of ideas.
Don’t spend £180m giving people bonuses they don’t deserve.
Don’t spend £80m on baby boxes no one fückin asked for.
Would you rather spend that money on tackling the drug problem that besets our country or are you happy with the way £260m of tax payers money has been used?
I know what I’d do.

For me, the only way to stop a drug addiction or dependency is to take the addict away from toxic mates or environments and have them not take drugs for a long period.  Cold Turkey.  Short term pain for long term gain.

Put addicts in specially built, safe, basic accommodation which they can't leave and don't allow them contact with the outside world.  At first, this would be one padded room with a shower and toilet or something.

After withdrawals have gone, slowly introduce them to life's other pleasures such as going swimming, to the gym, reading and competition.  Once they do these things and 'get better' at them, they may realise how good life can be away from drugs.  Accomodation could get better as time goes on.  Allow them to earn a sort of fake-money within the compound for doing good deeds, giving them the mindset that practise and work = more money and happiness.

They could actually be kept in this place for years, and psychiatric assessments could be conducted before they leave to gauge if they still have cravings.

Giving them Methadone only reinforces the addiction and tempts them to go back to their old ways and mates IMO, same with legalised safe spaces.  Legalising would keep needles off the streets, but would be no long term benefit to those struggling with addiction either.

Good points Hardliner and I can see logic in what you say. If the addict agrees to this self opposed restriction of liberty to go cold turkey then it could work. I still think that in the short term legalising it will safeguard the current users and on the whole make communities more safer for everyone. I'm looking at some potential employment that is loosely similar to what you have suggested above. Just a few things to iron out first.

Methadone seems a life sentence as they very rarely are taken off it despite pleas to their GP. I think programs like this and if drugs were legalised then there would need to be an agreed reduction plan instead of just keeping them on a state funded addiction for life.

I'm glad you have given a reasonable alternative. Sick hearing the "just shoot them all" kind of thing you get from folk who have no time for addicts.

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 11:43:15 am

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

Here’s a couple of ideas.
Don’t spend £180m giving people bonuses they don’t deserve.
Don’t spend £80m on baby boxes no one fückin asked for.
Would you rather spend that money on tackling the drug problem that besets our country or are you happy with the way £260m of tax payers money has been used?
I know what I’d do.

Of course not. I haven't said otherwise and I have been quite critical of the SNP on certain aspects regarding this. Especially in Dundee

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 11:43:15 am

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.

Wanting people dead eh?

Tut tut Mr Deemo

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 11:43:15 am

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.

Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:45:04 am

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 11:43:15 am

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.

Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?

Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation