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Re: Another SNP Record Broken. Flags tho.
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2020, 07:55:39 pm »
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 07:18:08 pm
Quote from: Hardliner on December 15, 2020, 06:56:45 pm
Quote from: LionMo on December 15, 2020, 06:39:15 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 02:32:27 pm

Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧

And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.

Absolutely, Mo.

It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.

With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.



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You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.

When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.

Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.

Nonsense, mo has just told us that everything has got worse under the seps and he’s a man that knows his stuff.
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2020, 08:00:05 pm »
Quote from: Hardliner on December 15, 2020, 07:44:34 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 07:18:08 pm
Quote from: Hardliner on December 15, 2020, 06:56:45 pm
Quote from: LionMo on December 15, 2020, 06:39:15 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 02:32:27 pm

Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧

And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.

Absolutely, Mo.

It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.

With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.



Wha's like us!
You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.

When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.

Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.

I don't think we can blame the Government for the factors which make drug abuse such a large problem in Scotland compared to the rest of the country.  It would make no sense.

Fair play to the Scottish Parliament regarding alcohol though.  Minimum pricing was a brave step to take and I agree with it.

I think that trends come and go, and from what I can see young ones just aren't as interested in drinking in parks etc anymore.  It's not seen as edgy and cool like it used to be.  Long may it continue.

The SNP chooses how to allocate the budget.
They chose to cut funding to this area.
Scotland is reaping what the SNP have sown.
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Re: Another SNP Record Broken. Flags tho.
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2020, 08:06:21 pm »
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:00:05 pm
Quote from: Hardliner on December 15, 2020, 07:44:34 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 07:18:08 pm
Quote from: Hardliner on December 15, 2020, 06:56:45 pm
Quote from: LionMo on December 15, 2020, 06:39:15 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 02:32:27 pm

Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧

And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.

Absolutely, Mo.

It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.

With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.



Wha's like us!
You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.

When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.

Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.

I don't think we can blame the Government for the factors which make drug abuse such a large problem in Scotland compared to the rest of the country.  It would make no sense.

Fair play to the Scottish Parliament regarding alcohol though.  Minimum pricing was a brave step to take and I agree with it.

I think that trends come and go, and from what I can see young ones just aren't as interested in drinking in parks etc anymore.  It's not seen as edgy and cool like it used to be.  Long may it continue.

The SNP chooses how to allocate the budget.
They chose to cut funding to this area.
Scotland is reaping what the SNP have sown.

http://www.sdf.org.uk/additional-12-7-million-funding-in-scottish-budget-to-address-harm-associated-with-drug-or-alcohol-use/

The Scottish Government has announced £12.7 million in additional funding to address the harm associated with drug or alcohol use.

Included in the Scottish Budget Statement, the increase in spending will support the work of the Drugs Deaths Taskforce to deliver innovative projects, test new approaches and develop a national pathway for Opiate Substitute Therapy.

Responding to the decision, David Liddell, CEO of Scottish Drugs Forum, said:

“This investment is hugely welcome. There is evidence of innovative work being done on a small scale in various parts of Scotland and this investment gives the opportunity to scale these up.”


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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2020, 08:32:13 pm »
One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
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Re: Another SNP Record Broken. Flags tho.
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2020, 08:40:21 pm »
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:32:13 pm
One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2020, 08:46:43 pm »
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:40:21 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:32:13 pm
One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.

No need.
It’s a matter of record.
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Re: Another SNP Record Broken. Flags tho.
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2020, 08:53:17 pm »
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:46:43 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:40:21 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:32:13 pm
One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.

No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.

“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.

Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2020, 09:00:12 pm »
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:53:17 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:46:43 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:40:21 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:32:13 pm
One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.

No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.

“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.

Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?

Who mentioned Monica Lennon?
You need to look harder.
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Re: Another SNP Record Broken. Flags tho.
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2020, 09:21:38 pm »
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 09:00:12 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:53:17 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:46:43 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:40:21 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:32:13 pm
One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.

No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.

“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.

Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?

Who mentioned Monica Lennon?
You need to look harder.

Due to your failure to produce any evidence (because their is none) I’d say it’s fair to assume that cuts in spending were a fantasy.

It’s clear that Westminster’s drug laws don’t work for Scotland.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2020, 10:21:16 pm »
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 09:21:38 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 09:00:12 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:53:17 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:46:43 pm
Quote from: PeterGrant on December 15, 2020, 08:40:21 pm
Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 15, 2020, 08:32:13 pm
One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.

No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.

“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.

Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?

Who mentioned Monica Lennon?
You need to look harder.

Due to your failure to produce any evidence (because their is none) I’d say it’s fair to assume that cuts in spending were a fantasy.

It’s clear that Westminster’s drug laws don’t work for Scotland.

Oh there is, and you know it.
The laws have nothing to do with it.
The SNP were warned what would happen when they slashed the budget.
And so it came to pass.
Scotlands people suffer again due to the SNP...and still you and the other fûckin idiots vote for them.
Don’t pretend you care.
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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2020, 10:49:41 am »
Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.

In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent

Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2020, 10:52:47 am »
The Scottish Government must change its approach. We can simply ensure that the Lord Advocate and Police do not prosecute drug users and create the building blocks for an entirely new policy, framework and drug culture.

It’s time to simply ignore Whitehall’s protests on this issue.
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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am »
They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2020, 11:40:26 am »
For me, the only way to stop a drug addiction or dependency is to take the addict away from toxic mates or environments and have them not take drugs for a long period.  Cold Turkey.  Short term pain for long term gain.

Put addicts in specially built, safe, basic accommodation which they can't leave and don't allow them contact with the outside world.  At first, this would be one padded room with a shower and toilet or something.

After withdrawals have gone, slowly introduce them to life's other pleasures such as going swimming, to the gym, reading and competition.  Once they do these things and 'get better' at them, they may realise how good life can be away from drugs.  Accomodation could get better as time goes on.  Allow them to earn a sort of fake-money within the compound for doing good deeds, giving them the mindset that practise and work = more money and happiness.

They could actually be kept in this place for years, and psychiatric assessments could be conducted before they leave to gauge if they still have cravings.

Giving them Methadone only reinforces the addiction and tempts them to go back to their old ways and mates IMO, same with legalised safe spaces.  Legalising would keep needles off the streets, but would be no long term benefit to those struggling with addiction either.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2020, 11:40:45 am »
Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 10:49:41 am
Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.

In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent

Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.

Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
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