EthicalScottishFitba
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guest17 on September 21, 2020, 11:34:11 am
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A special deal for Scotland would have meant completely ignoring the votes of the 38% who voted leave.
That 38% won the EU referendum, so why should their votes be ignored in what was a UK wide vote? It's a huge clutching at straws from the Nationalists, who will stoke grudge and grievance at every opportunity, trying to force a second independence on us despite the polls consistently showing that Scots don't want one.
It’s this framing which has resulted in the current levels of support for independence.
Polls show consistently that the people of Scotland off all nationalities favour a new independence referendum taking place. There are preferences as to the timing, but a strong majority Is in favour of their being one within 5 years.
Boris said no.
And will continue to say no to bully boy and the wee tyrant
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A special deal for Scotland would have meant completely ignoring the votes of the 38% who voted leave.
That 38% won the EU referendum, so why should their votes be ignored in what was a UK wide vote? It's a huge clutching at straws from the Nationalists, who will stoke grudge and grievance at every opportunity, trying to force a second independence on us despite the polls consistently showing that Scots don't want one.
It’s this framing which has resulted in the current levels of support for independence.
Polls show consistently that the people of Scotland off all nationalities favour a new independence referendum taking place. There are preferences as to the timing, but a strong majority Is in favour of their being one within 5 years.
Boris said no.
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A special deal for Scotland would have meant completely ignoring the votes of the 38% who voted leave.
That 38% won the EU referendum, so why should their votes be ignored in what was a UK wide vote? It's a huge clutching at straws from the Nationalists, who will stoke grudge and grievance at every opportunity, trying to force a second independence on us despite the polls consistently showing that Scots don't want one.
It’s this framing which has resulted in the current levels of support for independence.
Polls show consistently that the people of Scotland off all nationalities favour a new independence referendum taking place. There are preferences as to the timing, but a strong majority Is in favour of their being one within 5 years.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
The Vow was kept.
We all knew an EU referendum was looming and no Unionist party ever said that we'd be guaranteed to stay in the EU despite that. The claim was something along the lines of 'The only way to stay in the EU is to vote No' and this was absolutely true, as separation would have had us leave the EU.
The No vote absolutely allowed us to stay in the EU, but we voted to leave 2 years afterwards, in a referendum everybody knew about in 2014.
Again, if an actual broken promise is pointed out to me then I'll happily concede, but all I ever hear is manufactured grieve-spin.
The better together and unionist promise was “the only way to guarantee staying in the EU is to vote no”.
Unionists in Scotland should have faced up to these problems and ensured a special deal for Scotland. It is unionist tactical errors which will bring about independence.
That promise was absolutely kept. The Nats would have taken us out of the EU whereas voting No kept us in.
Everybody knew a referendum would be taking place on the issue and we voted to leave. This does not mean that voting No didn't keep us in the EU in 2014.
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A special deal for Scotland would have meant completely ignoring the votes of the 38% who voted leave.
That 38% won the EU referendum, so why should their votes be ignored in what was a UK wide vote? It's a huge clutching at straws from the Nationalists, who will stoke grudge and grievance at every opportunity, trying to force a second independence on us despite the polls consistently showing that Scots don't want one.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
The Vow was kept.
We all knew an EU referendum was looming and no Unionist party ever said that we'd be guaranteed to stay in the EU despite that. The claim was something along the lines of 'The only way to stay in the EU is to vote No' and this was absolutely true, as separation would have had us leave the EU.
The No vote absolutely allowed us to stay in the EU, but we voted to leave 2 years afterwards, in a referendum everybody knew about in 2014.
Again, if an actual broken promise is pointed out to me then I'll happily concede, but all I ever hear is manufactured grieve-spin.
The better together and unionist promise was “the only way to guarantee staying in the EU is to vote no”.
Unionists in Scotland should have faced up to these problems and ensured a special deal for Scotland. It is unionist tactical errors which will bring about independence.
That particular irony will make it all the more delicious.
Indeed. It was all in their hands.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
The Vow was kept.
We all knew an EU referendum was looming and no Unionist party ever said that we'd be guaranteed to stay in the EU despite that. The claim was something along the lines of 'The only way to stay in the EU is to vote No' and this was absolutely true, as separation would have had us leave the EU.
The No vote absolutely allowed us to stay in the EU, but we voted to leave 2 years afterwards, in a referendum everybody knew about in 2014.
Again, if an actual broken promise is pointed out to me then I'll happily concede, but all I ever hear is manufactured grieve-spin.
The better together and unionist promise was “the only way to guarantee staying in the EU is to vote no”.
Unionists in Scotland should have faced up to these problems and ensured a special deal for Scotland. It is unionist tactical errors which will bring about independence.
That particular irony will make it all the more delicious.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
The Vow was kept.
We all knew an EU referendum was looming and no Unionist party ever said that we'd be guaranteed to stay in the EU despite that. The claim was something along the lines of 'The only way to stay in the EU is to vote No' and this was absolutely true, as separation would have had us leave the EU.
The No vote absolutely allowed us to stay in the EU, but we voted to leave 2 years afterwards, in a referendum everybody knew about in 2014.
Again, if an actual broken promise is pointed out to me then I'll happily concede, but all I ever hear is manufactured grieve-spin.
The better together and unionist promise was “the only way to guarantee staying in the EU is to vote no”.
Unionists in Scotland should have faced up to these problems and ensured a special deal for Scotland. It is unionist tactical errors which will bring about independence.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
The Vow was kept.
We all knew an EU referendum was looming and no Unionist party ever said that we'd be guaranteed to stay in the EU despite that. The claim was something along the lines of 'The only way to stay in the EU is to vote No' and this was absolutely true, as separation would have had us leave the EU.
The No vote absolutely allowed us to stay in the EU, but we voted to leave 2 years afterwards, in a referendum everybody knew about in 2014.
Again, if an actual broken promise is pointed out to me then I'll happily concede, but all I ever hear is manufactured grieve-spin.
Manufactured grievance ans spin is all you ever hear from them.
Wonder how the ‘power grab’ is coming along.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
The Vow was kept.
We all knew an EU referendum was looming and no Unionist party ever said that we'd be guaranteed to stay in the EU despite that. The claim was something along the lines of 'The only way to stay in the EU is to vote No' and this was absolutely true, as separation would have had us leave the EU.
The No vote absolutely allowed us to stay in the EU, but we voted to leave 2 years afterwards, in a referendum everybody knew about in 2014.
Again, if an actual broken promise is pointed out to me then I'll happily concede, but all I ever hear is manufactured grieve-spin.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
Is that it?
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
Apart from the vow, many promises were made during the Unionists’ referendum campaign.
Better Together stated many, many times that a No vote was a guarantee of staying in the EU. Many unionist politicians made this commitment too. It was also promised that if Scotland did not leave the UK it could lead the UK and the opposite has occurred.
Unionists should have supported the Scottish Government in demanding a special EU deal for Scotland. That would have strengthened the UK considerably. Instead they largely sneered and told the rest of us it was tough ****.
Major tactical error that cannot be undone.
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The Unionists broke no promises that I know of.
I'm happy to concede this point if someone points out a broken promise, but that's never happened.
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I love democracy Mo. You guys won in 2014, but then you didn’t keep your promises. It’s your own fault that there will be another referendum. I love referenda. You don’t get more democratic than that.
In an independent Scotland you can argue for returning to the Union and if you get a majority in Parliament you can have a referendum.
What could be more reasonable than that?
What could be more reasonable Peter is respecting the result in 2014
If unionists had done that, they wouldn’t be facing the end of their Union now.
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I love democracy Mo. You guys won in 2014, but then you didn’t keep your promises. It’s your own fault that there will be another referendum. I love referenda. You don’t get more democratic than that.
In an independent Scotland you can argue for returning to the Union and if you get a majority in Parliament you can have a referendum.
What could be more reasonable than that?
What could be more reasonable Peter is respecting the result in 2014
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I love democracy Mo. You guys won in 2014, but then you didn’t keep your promises. It’s your own fault that there will be another referendum. I love referenda. You don’t get more democratic than that.
In an independent Scotland you can argue for returning to the Union and if you get a majority in Parliament you can have a referendum.
What could be more reasonable than that?
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What was promised and not delivered?
I’ve already answered this many times. Cognitive dissonance will not save the unionist cause.
No you’ve not.
You should’ve just said you don’t know.
If you have, provide a link.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
“We were promised”
Yes, and Scotland was promised a lot. Those promises were broken and the unionists just chuckled away while it happened so all bets are off and that’s that.
Bleat about “once in a generation” all you like. We ain’t honouring old agreements.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fmsb4xH/8-F5-FFE9-B-5167-43-CA-9954-8-A8-D48726-AC3.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Bullshit and you know it.
And you do not obviously believe in democracy. Not surprising though
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What was promised and not delivered?
I’ve already answered this many times. Cognitive dissonance will not save the unionist cause.
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What was promised and not delivered?
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
“We were promised”
Yes, and Scotland was promised a lot. Those promises were broken and the unionists just chuckled away while it happened so all bets are off and that’s that.
Bleat about “once in a generation” all you like. We ain’t honouring old agreements.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fmsb4xH/8-F5-FFE9-B-5167-43-CA-9954-8-A8-D48726-AC3.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
People who voted for independence didn’t know what currency we would use so they didn’t know what they were voting for.
A valid point, probably the area the yes side failed most on, they’ll have to have something more convincing next time.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
People who voted for independence didn’t know what currency we would use so they didn’t know what they were voting for.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
For me personally I don’t like the direction the uk is going, I think we can do better and I make no apology for that.
It is certainly going in a better direction than a bankrupt independent Scotland would go in.
And you know what I think about your last sentence
I really don’t 😂 mind reading isn’t my speciality.
😂 I will say no more, I'm sure you will work it out. It has been good to have a civil conversation 🙂
Aye probably for the best.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
For me personally I don’t like the direction the uk is going, I think we can do better and I make no apology for that.
It is certainly going in a better direction than a bankrupt independent Scotland would go in.
And you know what I think about your last sentence
I really don’t 😂 mind reading isn’t my speciality.
😂 I will say no more, I'm sure you will work it out. It has been good to have a civil conversation 🙂
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
For me personally I don’t like the direction the uk is going, I think we can do better and I make no apology for that.
It is certainly going in a better direction than a bankrupt independent Scotland would go in.
And you know what I think about your last sentence
I really don’t 😂 mind reading isn’t my speciality.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
For me personally I don’t like the direction the uk is going, I think we can do better and I make no apology for that.
It is certainly going in a better direction than a bankrupt independent Scotland would go in.
And you know what I think about your last sentence
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
For me personally I don’t like the direction the uk is going, I think we can do better and I make no apology for that.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
I think you’re maybe guilty of labelling every yes voter as some rabid, nationalist, lunatic. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
It has not been accepted though and most certainly should be. Once in a generation we were promised. With all that is happening in the world do you not think it is time to put it on the back burner and concentrate on more important things ?
I label every yes voter that has not accepted the result of the democratic vote very selfish, not believers in democracy and absolute fools (and that is me being nice) for wanting to put the country and its people through another diversive, unwanted and uneeded referendum. They are prepared to bankrupt us for a pipedream and I find it increrdibly stupid and unforgiveable.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
The vast majority did accept it, I was disappointed, I thought it was a missed opportunity but I was happy to accept it and I believe if Cameron hadn’t promised the brexit referendum in 2015 then the vast majority of yes voters would have also happily accepted it, many who were 50/50 and were fearful of losing our eu membership voted no after being told it was the only way to ensure eu membership only for Cameron to 180 the following year, eu citizens living here had the vote and they will have largely voted no I’d imagine to ensure their lives here were maintained, I’d guess they’d vote very differently next time, that’s a lot of people.
not all yes voters were rabid, nationalist, lunatics. Of all the people I know in my life that voted yes I can hand on heart say that I’d describe 2 of them as nationalists, guys that would have voted yes regardless of what it would do to the country.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
I voted to stay in the eu but my wife voted to leave. It is the only time that we have disagreed on a vote. I agree with you that there are many different reasons people voted to leave and freedom of movement is a massive one especially for the people down south in cities. I wish that it didn't happen but as a believer in democracy then I accept the result of the vote. I wish up here the result of the independence vote was accepted by the losing side but unfortunately they only believe in democracy if the vote goes their way.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
I’m sure many did, I doubt many voted for where we are now though, I voted for brexit too but regretted it very quickly, Some people get offended when I imply people didn’t know what they were voting for because they think I’m calling them stupid, I’m not at all but I genuinely think many had no idea about the possible ramifications, I know that Northern Ireland never even entered my head as a possible problem, I had very little understanding of the single market etc.
The problem is that of the 17 odd million that voted brexit you could probably split them into 10 different categories of what they wanted, immigration was never a factor for me, I would’ve been happy with a Norway style arrangement, no political involvement but access to the single market. The problem with that is you’d have to accept freedom of movement and that would never fly with a lot of people, hence why may immediately imposed her ‘red lines’. She backed herself into a corner massively
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
There is a lot of independence supporters that voted for brexit though. Anyway my opinion is vote should not be happening in the next 20 years especially with what is going on in the world. I just wish that it was taken off the table and the snp started to do what they get paid for and that is to govern our country properly and sort out the mess they have made of it.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
Personally I think brexit it has made it inevitable, without that then indyref2 wouldn’t be anywhere near the table right now, outwith those that live and breath it, certainly wouldn’t be polling at the levels it is just now. I think the majority in this country see us going in a different direction from the rest of the uk. Just my opinion like.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
What I am scared about is if the unthinkabke happens and the other side do get another unwarranted vote and happen to win. That scares the living daylights out of me as I truely believe we would be totally **** as a country. Even more so now with the economic situation in the world with the pandemic going on. It would be absolute madness going it alone.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
And I’m sure not one of us will change their minds by anyone else on here, I’ve said on the other board that there’s been a shift in politics in recent years. Indy, brexit etc, they’re such divisive issues. Half the time policy has nothing to do with it anymore, it’s too tribal.
Annoying the ‘other side’ has become more important to some on both ‘sides’ than how their own lives are affected, I find that quite scary.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from there.
There is definitely a split on this board of views though
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
Oh right, I meant that people tend to follow those on twitter etc with similar views to themselves rather than those they disagree with hence why they’re only seeing those that have changed their minds to their way of thinking.
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
And we all know who the boards pedant is
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
I didn't even notice that. I was on about what you meant with the sentence. I'm not sure that it is completely right
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
Should be a ‘with’ in there.
You the board pedant?
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
Last sentence 🤔
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There will always be people that change their minds, having an open mind is a good thing. If I had to put money on it though I’d say there are more that have changed their minds the other way, purely going by what I’ve seen on social media and conversations I’ve had with folk. Social media isn’t the best barometer though as we tend to interact those with similar views to ourselves.
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It seems that this guy has not only managed to break free from the cult's shackles, but has even managed to do a complete U-turn.
Hopefully others continue to follow suit.
It is fabulous what he has done. What a guy 🙂🇬🇧
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It seems that this guy has not only managed to break free from the cult's shackles, but has even managed to do a complete U-turn.
Hopefully others continue to follow suit.
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He added: “The SNP has changed dramatically since the last referendum on independence, with a major influx of disenfranchised Labour supporters, plus Yes campaigners. The SNP is no longer a slightly left of centre party but a far-left extremist movement that is buying votes by giving out freebies, passing legislation that gives greater state control while curtailing free speech, misleading a membership in the belief that Scotland can re-join the EU, and regain our fishing rights offering a wealthy and prosperous outcome.”
https://www.dng24.co.uk/party-switch-councillor-reveals-indy-concerns-2/
About time mate. Hopefully one of many that sees the snp exactly for what they are.
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He added: “The SNP has changed dramatically since the last referendum on independence, with a major influx of disenfranchised Labour supporters, plus Yes campaigners. The SNP is no longer a slightly left of centre party but a far-left extremist movement that is buying votes by giving out freebies, passing legislation that gives greater state control while curtailing free speech, misleading a membership in the belief that Scotland can re-join the EU, and regain our fishing rights offering a wealthy and prosperous outcome.”
https://www.dng24.co.uk/party-switch-councillor-reveals-indy-concerns-2/