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Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 11, 2020, 06:37:58 pm
With the lack of opposition in Scotland to the SNP it's pretty bad that they are only at 55%.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 04:46:45 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without talking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.

Don’t knows are the least likely to vote all. They are the 20% who won’t vote and that’s why they are distilled out of overall poll results.

As for short term, it’s been a year and 19 polls since there was a unionist majority in the polls.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest19 on September 11, 2020, 04:38:21 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without talking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.

When my loon was at Glasgow university one of the lads was studying Law Jambo big Hearts fan and from a very wealthy family they live on the capitals most expensive street and he was a big no voter he was speaking to my loon telling him because Brexit quite a number of his friends are now backing the next YES vote .

Now that's a huge statement from him .
For me it's not the polls you should be worrying about it's the Brexit result and how the Tories are handling it .

You must see it for yourself
That's the reason Scotland will be set free .

I think a lot of the recent post-EU referendum converts to Yes will fall away once they realise Scotland won't be allowed in the EU without joining the Euro and them inflicting a massive austerity programme on our people.

It's an emotional thing at the moment because people are annoyed.

If Brexit works out well for us, and I don't see why it wouldn't, then people will quite comfortable again.

Just my take on it

I actually know of some converts from Yes to No as well.  The economic case is even worse now IMO.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 04:17:13 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without talking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.

When my loon was at Glasgow university one of the lads was studying Law Jambo big Hearts fan and from a very wealthy family they live on the capitals most expensive street and he was a big no voter he was speaking to my loon telling him because Brexit quite a number of his friends are now backing the next YES vote .

Now that's a huge statement from him .
For me it's not the polls you should be worrying about it's the Brexit result and how the Tories are handling it .

You must see it for yourself
That's the reason Scotland will be set free .
Scotland is free


It will be .
It is free though 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 11, 2020, 04:15:53 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without talking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.

When my loon was at Glasgow university one of the lads was studying Law Jambo big Hearts fan and from a very wealthy family they live on the capitals most expensive street and he was a big no voter he was speaking to my loon telling him because Brexit quite a number of his friends are now backing the next YES vote .

Now that's a huge statement from him .
For me it's not the polls you should be worrying about it's the Brexit result and how the Tories are handling it .

You must see it for yourself
That's the reason Scotland will be set free .
Scotland is free


It will be .
The big, bad, oppressive Union hasn't done you any harm.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: Buc on September 11, 2020, 04:00:32 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without talking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.

When my loon was at Glasgow university one of the lads was studying Law Jambo big Hearts fan and from a very wealthy family they live on the capitals most expensive street and he was a big no voter he was speaking to my loon telling him because Brexit quite a number of his friends are now backing the next YES vote .

Now that's a huge statement from him .
For me it's not the polls you should be worrying about it's the Brexit result and how the Tories are handling it .

You must see it for yourself
That's the reason Scotland will be set free .
Scotland is free


It will be .
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 03:57:34 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without talking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.

When my loon was at Glasgow university one of the lads was studying Law Jambo big Hearts fan and from a very wealthy family they live on the capitals most expensive street and he was a big no voter he was speaking to my loon telling him because Brexit quite a number of his friends are now backing the next YES vote .

Now that's a huge statement from him .
For me it's not the polls you should be worrying about it's the Brexit result and how the Tories are handling it .

You must see it for yourself
That's the reason Scotland will be set free .
Scotland is free
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: Buc on September 11, 2020, 03:51:43 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without talking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.

When my loon was at Glasgow university one of the lads was studying Law Jambo big Hearts fan and from a very wealthy family they live on the capitals most expensive street and he was a big no voter he was speaking to my loon telling him because Brexit quite a number of his friends are now backing the next YES vote .

Now that's a huge statement from him .
For me it's not the polls you should be worrying about it's the Brexit result and how the Tories are handling it .

You must see it for yourself
That's the reason Scotland will be set free .
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest19 on September 11, 2020, 03:07:51 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.

I'd say that's a poor way to look at it.  A more accurate way would be to compare ones with similar questions or methodology.  Very hard to do without taking the time out.

What I do notice is that during these last 7 polls, the gap between yes and no seems to be larger when the 'don't know's' are largest, which suggests to me that most don't knows would support the Union.

We've had knee-jerk emotional responses that have caused short-term Yes support before.  Hopefully the current Yes nosedive is a sign that things are returning to normal.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 02:52:11 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

It’s up 3 from the previous Survation poll and that’s how polls are normally compared. No is down 3. A 6 point swing.

7 yes polls in a row now.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 02:14:35 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.

Sore Elbow.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest19 on September 11, 2020, 02:08:22 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

The last Survation poll shows support for separation to be 2 points down from the last one which was a Panelbase one in August.

Good news for the Union.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 02:01:43 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?
Less than 1% of the Scottish population speak Gaelic.

I wonder how many SNP MSP’s are fluent in Gaelic?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 11, 2020, 01:57:18 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?
Less than 1% of the Scottish population speak Gaelic.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 01:48:48 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?

I’m not a unionist.
A people’s vote is the only poll that matters.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 01:45:59 pm
Keep sneering at Gaelic and calling for it to be suppressed. It’s a real unionist vote winner.

Have you seen today’s Survation polls?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 01:28:58 pm
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
You have no evidence for that view. You are merely triggered by anything that you associate in your own mind with nationalism or independence.

FFS, the evidence is the increased presence of Gaelic signs everywhere in the last few year.
Glasgow underground...really?
Mostly put in place by council. Non SNP councils.

Next!

Aye, ok mate.

Checkmate. You don’t understand your own position. But who truly understands fear or hate?

Aye, ok mate.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 01:16:12 pm
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
You have no evidence for that view. You are merely triggered by anything that you associate in your own mind with nationalism or independence.

FFS, the evidence is the increased presence of Gaelic signs everywhere in the last few year.
Glasgow underground...really?
Mostly put in place by council. Non SNP councils.

Next!

Aye, ok mate.

Checkmate. You don’t understand your own position. But who truly understands fear or hate?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 12:44:10 pm
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
You have no evidence for that view. You are merely triggered by anything that you associate in your own mind with nationalism or independence.

FFS, the evidence is the increased presence of Gaelic signs everywhere in the last few year.
Glasgow underground...really?
Mostly put in place by council. Non SNP councils.

Next!

Aye, ok mate.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 12:42:43 pm
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
You have no evidence for that view. You are merely triggered by anything that you associate in your own mind with nationalism or independence.

FFS, the evidence is the increased presence of Gaelic signs everywhere in the last few year.
Glasgow underground...really?
Mostly put in place by council. Non SNP councils.

Next!
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 12:41:08 pm
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
You have no evidence for that view. You are merely triggered by anything that you associate in your own mind with nationalism or independence.

FFS, the evidence is the increased presence of Gaelic signs everywhere in the last few year.
Glasgow underground...really?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 12:21:49 pm
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
You have no evidence for that view. You are merely triggered by anything that you associate in your own mind with nationalism or independence.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 11, 2020, 11:54:16 am
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.
Not at all. I wouldn't have a problem with it if millions of Scots spoke Gaelic, but they don't. Therefore it is a total waste of money and nothing more than a SNP vanity project.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 11:42:23 am
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
Totally agree mate
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 11:41:45 am
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.
Not the reason at all for me Peter. My reason as you know is that I think it is a massive waste of our money.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 11:41:20 am
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.

The SNP have tried to nationalise it.
I’d prefer the money spent on other things that improve and benefit the lives of all Scots not just virtue signal to a minority.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 11:37:46 am
I would put it to you guys that you are triggered by Gaelic because YOU associate it with nationalism and independence.

In your torpor you fail to realise that all of the areas where Gaelic is more prevalent voted No to independence.

Weird.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 11:34:00 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.

How many ambulances and police cars had it on them before 2007?

Don’t know. How many was it?
One is too many
Very weird thing to say.
How so ?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 11:26:02 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.

How many ambulances and police cars had it on them before 2007?

Don’t know. How many was it?
One is too many
Very weird thing to say.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 11:25:28 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.
It certainly wasn't plastered over every train station and police vehicle.
It’s not plastered over every train station or police car now either.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 11:23:42 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.

How many ambulances and police cars had it on them before 2007?

Don’t know. How many was it?
One is too many
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 11:22:53 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.

How many ambulances and police cars had it on them before 2007?

Don’t know. How many was it?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 11:22:42 am
Makes me mad seeing our money getting wasted on stuff like that. No need at all
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 11:22:30 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.
It certainly wasn't plastered over every train station and police vehicle.

The Glasgow underground stations has the names in Gaelic....apart from the ones that don’t.
Custard Creams.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 11, 2020, 11:19:33 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.
It certainly wasn't plastered over every train station and police vehicle.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 11:19:21 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.

How many ambulances and police cars had it on them before 2007?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 11:16:49 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
You seem to think there was no gaelic signage in Scotland before 2007.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 11, 2020, 11:04:06 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.

It’s all to do with the reasons behind it and it has nothing to do with Scottish heritage any more than that COVID hospital in Glasgow is.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 10:56:14 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.
I agree that language is good but the money spent on gaelic signs, police vehicles, train stations, amblances etc. would definitely been better spent on other things. A complete and utter waste of our money
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 11, 2020, 10:42:59 am
The British have put themselves at a disadvantage in the world due to their traditional laziness and arrogance when it comes to learning other languages.

It’s also not true that there is gaelic signage all over Scotland. It’s pretty proportionate use of spend to protect a minority language which is part of Scottish heritage. I have no issue with proportionate spend on other languages.

Language is good, it matters and it is worthy of proportionate investment.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 11, 2020, 09:21:19 am
Teach our kids French, German or Spanish which will be of use to them in later life. Not gaelic which imo is a complete waste of time and money.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest19 on September 11, 2020, 08:56:25 am
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
How many gaelic speakers do you know?
About 8.

It’s used a little in my house as my wife is from the Western Isles.

Language is a beautiful thing. I have picked up a little Gaelic and I also have some Spanish as well as some conversational Mandarin from a 12 week course I did at the Confucius Institute at Glasgow Uni.

I also use some Quenya and Sindarin with my children and my dog also responds to some commands in these Elvish languages.

Any time I've heard Gaelic being spoken it sounds beautiful!  I don't understand any of it, but part of me thinks I should, given my Arran and Skye heritage.

I suppose I differ from most people in that I view ethnicity/race as real, something intrinsically part of every human being, and this is the bedrock that produces a language.  Whilst I'm not against people learning other languages that have manifested within a particular group, we shouldn't pretend that they belong to different groups.  They ARE worth preserving though.

Gaelic is a language of the Gaels, it has never been spoken all over Scotland and is not Scotland's language, although the SNP, IMO, are trying to make out that this is the case.

The SNP's roadsign spending-spree is to the detriment of other languages which has been spoken in Scotland over the years too, including indigenous ones.  To me, making out that it's Scotland's language trivialises the language itself.

That's my take on it anyway, and as usual I'm probably thinking about it far too deeply :)

Quite cool how you know a bit of Spanish, Pete.  An ex of mine was working out in Gibralter a few years ago, and learnt a lot.  I got into it a bit and still play the Learning Spanish game on the DS from time to time.  It'd be handy to know IMO.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest19 on September 11, 2020, 08:32:00 am
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Does it make it right though ?

She only decided to do it after visiting the Irish PM when trying to usurp the will of the UK electorate after the vote to leave the EU.
The Irish do it to be different from NI and she wanted to be different from England.
It’s that simple.

Yep, the SNP/Shinner connection are good at weaponising languages for political purposes.

They could learn a thing or two from the strongly Unionist Welsh who are big on the language but don't use it to further their political aims.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: Buc on September 10, 2020, 08:17:17 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
How many gaelic speakers do you know?
About 8.

It’s used a little in my house as my wife is from the Western Isles.

Language is a beautiful thing. I have picked up a little Gaelic and I also have some Spanish as well as some conversational Mandarin from a 12 week course I did at the Confucius Institute at Glasgow Uni.

I also use some Quenya and Sindarin with my children and my dog also responds to some commands in these Elvish languages.


Great stuff love the bit about your dog .

My daughter Sarah speaks to her dog in Spanish it's nice to see.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 10, 2020, 08:09:06 pm
Be great if all the political posts here were in Polish


It's getting a bit too much even for me.
:o
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: Buc on September 10, 2020, 08:08:00 pm
Be great if all the political posts here were in Polish


It's getting a bit too much even for me.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: Sir Brenty on September 10, 2020, 07:12:44 pm
Be great if all the political posts here were in Polish
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 10, 2020, 05:29:17 pm
Gaelic is a Celtic language of Scotland for over 1500 years part of our heritage and cultural identity especially for people in the Highlands and Islands.

Now since the SNP came in they have given rebirth to our historical language.

The mountains of Scotland have Gaelic names with meanings .

It was also a language used in world war 2 because the Germans weren't able to work it out .


I'm sure the amount of speakers are now up to 60.000.
My loon who speaks Spanish also would like to learn our language because of his love of the Scottish mountains and scenery .
So about 1% of the population speak Gaelic?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: Buc on September 10, 2020, 04:19:59 pm
Gaelic is a Celtic language of Scotland for over 1500 years part of our heritage and cultural identity especially for people in the Highlands and Islands.

Now since the SNP came in they have given rebirth to our historical language.

The mountains of Scotland have Gaelic names with meanings .

It was also a language used in world war 2 because the Germans weren't able to work it out .


I'm sure the amount of speakers are now up to 60.000.
My loon who speaks Spanish also would like to learn our language because of his love of the Scottish mountains and scenery .
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 10, 2020, 02:25:11 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
How many gaelic speakers do you know?
About 8.

It’s used a little in my house as my wife is from the Western Isles.

Language is a beautiful thing. I have picked up a little Gaelic and I also have some Spanish as well as some conversational Mandarin from a 12 week course I did at the Confucius Institute at Glasgow Uni.

I also use some Quenya and Sindarin with my children and my dog also responds to some commands in these Elvish languages.

Don't ever change  Pete. 😂
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 10, 2020, 02:23:27 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Does it make it right though ?
Yes.
Would the money not have been better spent on other things ?
No.
Why ?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 02:18:40 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Does it make it right though ?
Yes.
Would the money not have been better spent on other things ?
No.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 10, 2020, 02:06:33 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Does it make it right though ?
Yes.
Would the money not have been better spent on other things ?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 01:45:43 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Does it make it right though ?
Yes.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 10, 2020, 01:40:14 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Does it make it right though ?

She only decided to do it after visiting the Irish PM when trying to usurp the will of the UK electorate after the vote to leave the EU.
The Irish do it to be different from NI and she wanted to be different from England.
It’s that simple.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 01:39:25 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
How many gaelic speakers do you know?
About 8.

It’s used a little in my house as my wife is from the Western Isles.

Language is a beautiful thing. I have picked up a little Gaelic and I also have some Spanish as well as some conversational Mandarin from a 12 week course I did at the Confucius Institute at Glasgow Uni.

I also use some Quenya and Sindarin with my children and my dog also responds to some commands in these Elvish languages.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 10, 2020, 01:27:51 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Does it make it right though ?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 10, 2020, 01:08:40 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
How many gaelic speakers do you know?


https://youtu.be/1N-wQtQotE8
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 10, 2020, 01:03:45 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
How many gaelic speakers do you know?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 12:23:45 pm
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Except that most countries have multi-lingual signage.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 10, 2020, 11:54:05 am
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Absolutely AJ, it was a huge waste of money putting up these signs, putting it on police vehicles etc. **** gaelic 🙈
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest16 on September 10, 2020, 11:51:27 am
A poster on a lampost from our snp council offering you to learn English free. Its for 7 different languages. The council is in debt, the roads are a disgrace etc but the snp think its a good idea to spend my money on this. **** waste of money.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 10, 2020, 10:02:36 am
Most countries have signage in more than one language. Only in Scotland is it a problem and only then among a minority of Yoons who tend to be insecure and monoculturalist in outlook.

Most other countries are bi-lingual. The UK has failed miserably in this area due to British exceptionalist mindset. Other countries rightly look down in the British for only being able to speak one language.

So the SNP who have been in government have kept the insecure and monoculturalist outlook even though they are in complete control over education....yet its not their fault?
Figures.

I’m talking about 200 years of British educational culture. There are steps and progress with regard to language. I see it in my son’s school very much but I agree Scottish education is not good enough in language and will not be good enough until all adults are bilingual, which could take another 50 years because we are starting from such a poor place.

My daughter even gets Spanish at nursery. She is 3. So that is a good sign.

Language is one of the essences of being human. It’s one of the key things which separates us from animals and it should be a key focus for society.

I don’t like Scots as a language but I have no desire whatsoever to see it suppressed.

More quote function issues thickstuff?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 09:44:34 am
Most countries have signage in more than one language. Only in Scotland is it a problem and only then among a minority of Yoons who tend to be insecure and monoculturalist in outlook.

Most other countries are bi-lingual. The UK has failed miserably in this area due to British exceptionalist mindset. Other countries rightly look down in the British for only being able to speak one language.

So the SNP who have been in government have kept the insecure and monoculturalist outlook even though they are in complete control over education....yet its not their fault?
Figures.

I’m talking about 200 years of British educational culture. There are steps and progress with regard to language. I see it in my son’s school very much but I agree Scottish education is not good enough in language and will not be good enough until all adults are bilingual, which could take another 50 years because we are starting from such a poor place.

My daughter gets Spanish at nursery and she is 3. So that’s good.

Language is one of the essences of being human. It’s one of the key things which separates us from animals and it should be a key focus for society.

I don’t like Scots as a language but I have no desire whatsoever to see it suppressed.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 10, 2020, 09:38:40 am
Most countries have signage in more than one language. Only in Scotland is it a problem and only then among a minority of Yoons who tend to be insecure and monoculturalist in outlook.

Most other countries are bi-lingual. The UK has failed miserably in this area due to British exceptionalist mindset. Other countries rightly look down in the British for only being able to speak one language.

So the SNP who have been in government have kept the insecure and monoculturalist outlook even though they are in complete control over education....yet its not their fault?
Figures.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: PeterGrant on September 10, 2020, 09:24:30 am
Most countries have signage in more than one language. Only in Scotland is it a problem and only then among a minority of Yoons who tend to be insecure and monoculturalist in outlook.

Most other countries are bi-lingual. The UK has failed miserably in this area due to British exceptionalist mindset. Other countries rightly look down in the British for only being able to speak one language.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 10, 2020, 08:51:22 am
Maybe we'll have 3 languages on our police cars soon.

Strange that the SNP have omitted Polish given their championing of diversity and love of the EU.

The 2011 census showed that Urdu, Punjabi and Chinese had nearly overtaken it too.  They probably have by now.

Arthur Donaldson must be turning in his grave.

Did he not put the quis in quisling?
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest19 on September 10, 2020, 08:47:11 am
Maybe we'll have 3 languages on our police cars soon.

Strange that the SNP have omitted Polish given their championing of diversity and love of the EU.

The 2011 census showed that Urdu, Punjabi and Chinese had nearly overtaken it too.  They probably have by now.

Arthur Donaldson must be turning in his grave.
Title: Re: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest3 on September 10, 2020, 08:40:40 am
Hope so. Gaelic is a load of old shite and there's no need for all that signage all over Scotland. Another waste of money.
Title: More Polish Speakers...
Post by: guest17 on September 10, 2020, 08:38:24 am
....in Scotland than Gaelic.
Will we soon see Polish roadsigns?