EthicalScottishFitba
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guest3 on September 10, 2020, 08:07:28 am
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Looks like the good people of Orkney have had enough of this too.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18715728.break-scotland-now-orkney-talks-independence/?ref=fbshr
Didnt Alex Salmond try to knock back a request from islanders about staying in the UK pre indy ref? .They were asking I think in case Nippys mob won.Might have been paper talk
That rings a bell JTC, but I can't remember the exact details.
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Maybe the Shetlands and Orkney will get their own football teams.
Easy hammer Mickys Mellons
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Looks like the good people of Orkney have had enough of this too.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18715728.break-scotland-now-orkney-talks-independence/?ref=fbshr
Didnt Alex Salmond try to knock back a request from islanders about staying in the UK pre indy ref? .They were asking I think in case Nippys mob won.Might have been paper talk
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Looks like the good people of Orkney have had enough of this too.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18715728.break-scotland-now-orkney-talks-independence/?ref=fbshr
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It's really beginning to grate on me, living in a country where those down south steal our money, spend it on vanity projects like new trains, suck up all the jobs, and make all political decisions to suit themselves, yet they'd be broke without our money.
Regards,
Shetlanders.
Brilliant 👏👏🇬🇧
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It's really beginning to grate on me, living in a country where those down south steal our money, spend it on vanity projects like new trains, suck up all the jobs, and make all political decisions to suit themselves, yet they'd be broke without our money.
Regards,
Shetlanders.
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Give us independence for Aberdonia anyday, get away from the workshy central belters. 😁
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Absolutely fine with whatever Shetlanders decide.
You other support self-determination or you do not.
This has swiped your legs away, eh Pete? 😎
Eh?
I’ve always favoured increased autonomy for Shetland. Independence fine by me.
I think that with an independent Scotland Shetland would probably stay in and would have Faroe style autonomy. The relationship between Faroes and Denmark has been much strengthened.
Chances of increased autonomy for Shetland in the UK? Zero.
Was my answer not what you were hoping for?
It's a slippery slope and who's to say more Scottish regions won't follow Shetland? You could end up with a central belt independent Scotland. So, be careful what you wish for is my advice.
They wish to make Scotland poorer by voting for independence 🙈
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By the way, I would point out that Shetland Councillors have voted to explore increased autonomy, not independence. Support from Shetland independence in Shetland is very low, while support for further autonomy is very high.
It was very low in 2013, but an up to date poll might say differently.
You’ve no evidence to say it has risen, and the Shetland councillors are exploring increased autonomy, not independence.
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By the way, I would point out that Shetland Councillors have voted to explore increased autonomy, not independence. Support from Shetland independence in Shetland is very low, while support for further autonomy is very high.
It was very low in 2013, but an up to date poll might say differently.
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By the way, I would point out that Shetland Councillors have voted to explore increased autonomy, not independence. Support from Shetland independence in Shetland is very low, while support for further autonomy is very high.
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If Scotland hots 60%, D&G and the borders are scraping 50%. I think the final outcome will be 61%/62% Yes.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
I could realistically envisage a scenario where all of the borders vote remain, including all the way to Edinburgh on the East coast. Is that were the case, do you think Sturgeon would allow this large chunk of Scotland, including it's former capital, to remain part of the UK?
I'm sorry mate but I just can't see it.
No, I don’t think she would, and unionist politicians would be in no position to argue for it when they were happy for Scotland to be removed from EU against its vote.
Very little chance of D&G voting no at current polling levels. Borders would be close but there is a growing dynamic there where even people on the other side of the border now would prefer to be in Scotland. That part of Northumberland was strong Remain and Scotland friendly, feeling far removed from and neglected by Westminster.
I can't see the good Tory voting people of D&G wanting to leave the country to join a splinter nation that would go against their interests culturally, economically and logistically. Their vote of 66% No was a strong one, and they knew an EU referendum was looming.
I think Unionist politicians would be in a great position to argue for not being dragged out against their will given that Scotland would have gained 'independence' by the same premise.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
I could realistically envisage a scenario where all of the borders vote remain, including all the way to Edinburgh on the East coast. Is that were the case, do you think Sturgeon would allow this large chunk of Scotland, including it's former capital, to remain part of the UK?
I'm sorry mate but I just can't see it.
No, I don’t think she would, and unionist politicians would be in no position to argue for it when they were happy for Scotland to be removed from EU against its vote.
Very little chance of D&G voting no at current polling levels. Borders would be close but there is a growing dynamic there where even people on the other side of the border now would prefer to be in Scotland. That part of Northumberland was strong Remain and Scotland friendly, feeling far removed from and neglected by Westminster.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
I could realistically envisage a scenario where all of the borders vote remain, including all the way to Edinburgh on the East coast. Is that were the case, do you think Sturgeon would allow this large chunk of Scotland, including it's former capital, to remain part of the UK?
I'm sorry mate but I just can't see it.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
...but the SNP need a 66% vote by party members to change a policy🤔
I don’t care about the SNP.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
...but the SNP need a 66% vote by party members to change a policy🤔
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
Edinburgh votes No?
When is this vote?
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
I don’t think the politicians in any such areas would push for that either. If say 30 areas vote Yes and Clackmannanshire and East Renfrewshire vote No, it wouldn’t be practically possible for them to remain in the UK while everywhere in Scotland is independent. Borders, customs economy, blah blah. The politicians for those areas would have to take it in the chin, most likely, and would not agitate for remaining in UK.
A 60% yes win would make it academic.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
I admire the fact that you are consistent in your own view Peter, but I just can't see Sturgeon allowing individual council areas to Remain.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
They would have a chance to do so. The difficulty will be if 32 out of 32 council areas all vote yes. At 60% Yes is the tipping point for that statistically.
If for example Edinburgh votes No and the rest of Scotland vote yes, it will be interesting to see how Edinburgh’s politicians react.
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Given Sturgeon's outrage at people being dragged out of Unions against their will, I'm sure she'd offer the chance of Shetlanders, Borderers and Orcadians to stay part of the UK if a second referendum took place.
I'm also sure her invitation would also extend to the good residents of Edinburgh and Aberdeen, who won't want to be dragged out against their will either.
**No sniggering at the back**
The question is, where would become the new Shcottish Chapital? Could Glasgow make a strong case, or would it have to go to 'Yes City'?
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And the “Shetland’s Oil” argument is one made only by unionists and rarely in Shetland. This is because they understand their affairs better than the common garden Yoon.
You see, most of the oil is in Scotland’s territorial waters but nowhere near Shetland. Shetland has the Sullom Voe oil terminal, but even that is privately owned. Shetland would of course have a territorial share of oil, but it’s a fraction.
Shetland independence or autonomy is fine. It could even choose to rejoin the UK if it wants. But I doubt it would.
I know Shetland a little and their political culture is more akin to Faroese due to their cultural connection to Scandinavia.
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Absolutely fine with whatever Shetlanders decide.
You other support self-determination or you do not.
This has swiped your legs away, eh Pete? 😎
Eh?
I’ve always favoured increased autonomy for Shetland. Independence fine by me.
I think that with an independent Scotland Shetland would probably stay in and would have Faroe style autonomy. The relationship between Faroes and Denmark has been much strengthened.
Chances of increased autonomy for Shetland in the UK? Zero.
Was my answer not what you were hoping for?
It's a slippery slope and who's to say more Scottish regions won't follow Shetland? You could end up with a central belt independent Scotland. So, be careful what you wish for is my advice.
I don’t have a problem with the outcomes of self-determination. With self-government of nations such circumstances tend to be outliers because the main state endeavours to treat all areas well and act in their interests, creating national unity. Unlike the current UK model.
A good example is Switzerland’s Cantons (regions) which have as much autonomy as the Scottish Parliament but there is no appetite to come out of the Swiss State. Germany is a good example of a big nation doing this well and a bit differently with their Federal model.
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Absolutely fine with whatever Shetlanders decide.
You other support self-determination or you do not.
This has swiped your legs away, eh Pete? 😎
Eh?
I’ve always favoured increased autonomy for Shetland. Independence fine by me.
I think that with an independent Scotland Shetland would probably stay in and would have Faroe style autonomy. The relationship between Faroes and Denmark has been much strengthened.
Chances of increased autonomy for Shetland in the UK? Zero.
Was my answer not what you were hoping for?
It's a slippery slope and who's to say more Scottish regions won't follow Shetland? You could end up with a central belt independent Scotland. So, be careful what you wish for is my advice.
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Absolutely fine with whatever Shetlanders decide.
You other support self-determination or you do not.
This has swiped your legs away, eh Pete? 😎
Eh?
I’ve always favoured increased autonomy for Shetland. Independence fine by me.
I think that with an independent Scotland Shetland would probably stay in and would have Faroe style autonomy. The relationship between Faroes and Denmark has been much strengthened.
Chances of increased autonomy for Shetland in the UK? Zero.
Was my answer not what you were hoping for?
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Copied from elsewhere.
Hats off to Iain Martin for putting “who sets the referendum question” front and centre, because it’s the most immediate issue.
The answer is simple: all constitutional matters are reserved, not devolved to Holyrood, far less any local authority.
Shetland only became part of Scotland in 1472, and just 141 years later Scotland began the process of Union, which concluded 104 years later. So Shetland was only part of Scotland for 141 years to the Union of the Crowns, or 245 to the Treaty of Union. It has been British far longer than it has been Scottish.
The great thing about the issue is the Pandora’s box it opens. Southern Scotland was one of the heaviest pro-Union regions in 2014, and unlikely to support any future separatist vote. The British Government could permit pro-Union regions the remain in the UK.
NO-voting regions in Southern Scotland in 2014 included: South Ayrshire, South Lanarkshire, Dumfries & Galloway, the Scottish Borders, East Lothian, Edinburgh...
iScotland could be a lot smaller than the Nats presume.
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Absolutely fine with whatever Shetlanders decide.
You other support self-determination or you do not.
This has swiped your legs away, eh Pete? 😎
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Absolutely fine with whatever Shetlanders decide.
You other support self-determination or you do not.
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Very interesting article, AJ. 18 to 2 is overwhelmingly decisive.
If the SNP get their way and split the country **shivers**, then it'd only be logical for Shetland to split and take their oil.
I mean, if Shetland is too small and poor to go it alone then why would they want to keep them?
Hopefully Nippy helps revive the old Norn language up there too. I see she's been trying to force Gaelic on it, where it's never been spoken, just like most of Scotland.
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I'm very interested to hear the Yessers views on this. Very interested. 🙂
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Shetlands oil.
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Tricky one for wee Nippy and her band of charlatans and rogues. Getting a taste of their own medicine. 😎
https://reaction.life/shetland-islands-council-votes-to-explore-breakaway-from-snp-run-scotland/