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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guest19 on September 06, 2020, 10:00:47 am
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?
Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.
The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .
Are you absolutely sure they get 3 or 4 times the salary of British workers? How much tax do they pay on average compared to us?
A wee bump as nothing was forthcoming...or about Norwegian foodbanks.
The Nats always use Norway as an example...but never mention the Vikings....but continually mention the British empire as a bad thing.
Strange people.
I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer. It doesn't suit their agenda.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?
Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.
The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .
Are you absolutely sure they get 3 or 4 times the salary of British workers? How much tax do they pay on average compared to us?
A wee bump as nothing was forthcoming...or about Norwegian foodbanks.
The Nats always use Norway as an example...but never mention the Vikings....but continually mention the British empire as a bad thing.
Strange people.
Very good point, VOR.
It's almost as ridiculous as their continuous championing of the subversive, bloodthirsty, cowardly Jacobites.
I feel privileged to live near the site where the Covenanting Cameronians ended the Jaco-rising of 1689 despite being outnumbered 4 to 1, thus winning the war for William.
It's bizarre how far the local Jaco group go to twist the facts with regards to this battle. They have a historian who makes up random pish to try and make it look better for them.
Might contact Neil Oliver to set them right.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?
Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.
The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .
Are you absolutely sure they get 3 or 4 times the salary of British workers? How much tax do they pay on average compared to us?
A wee bump as nothing was forthcoming...or about Norwegian foodbanks.
The Nats always use Norway as an example...but never mention the Vikings....but continually mention the British empire as a bad thing.
Strange people.
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
He is full of **** shite, still the same roaster as before.
Millwall 😂😂😂
How old are you ?
Not about age but intelligence.
😂😂😂
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If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.
It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.
Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.
You don't exactly have to look for it, the wee tyrant is on tv just about every day. As I said its talked about 9 days out of 10 in the pub.
And I say a lot worse in real life than I do on here
Like I said, it's not even an issue in my life. Folk spoke about it at the time it was happening and apart from the odd comment here and there it isn't a main topic with anyone that I see daily, weekly, or even now and then.
Maybe it is for the older generation, not being cheeky BTW. I think you're a bit older than me.
The most I see it is on social media and both sides give it as good as they get, which IMO is pointless because the type that post about it on social media are very unlikely to change their minds and it just goes round and round in circles, ends up in name calling and one-upmanship until the next time a debate starts.
It was quite a surprise to me to see how many people were well into it when I joined Scotland mad about 10 year ago and it dragged me in a bit. I try to stay away from it nowadays but I may put a comment in here or there if I feel like it.
Just the way I see it.
Fair enough, and your not been cheeky 🤔
I you can go round and round. 🤷♂️
You see folk sharing things on Facebook etc and there's very little if any replies. Most folk try to steer well clear of it because they know that in the main it's a pointless argument and a waste of time.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?
Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.
The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .
Are you absolutely sure they get 3 or 4 times the salary of British workers? How much tax do they pay on average compared to us?
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If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.
It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.
Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.
You don't exactly have to look for it, the wee tyrant is on tv just about every day. As I said its talked about 9 days out of 10 in the pub.
And I say a lot worse in real life than I do on here
Like I said, it's not even an issue in my life. Folk spoke about it at the time it was happening and apart from the odd comment here and there it isn't a main topic with anyone that I see daily, weekly, or even now and then.
Maybe it is for the older generation, not being cheeky BTW. I think you're a bit older than me.
The most I see it is on social media and both sides give it as good as they get, which IMO is pointless because the type that post about it on social media are very unlikely to change their minds and it just goes round and round in circles, ends up in name calling and one-upmanship until the next time a debate starts.
It was quite a surprise to me to see how many people were well into it when I joined Scotland mad about 10 year ago and it dragged me in a bit. I try to stay away from it nowadays but I may put a comment in here or there if I feel like it.
Just the way I see it.
Fair enough, and your not been cheeky 🤔
I you can go round and round. 🤷♂️
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If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.
It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.
Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.
You don't exactly have to look for it, the wee tyrant is on tv just about every day. As I said its talked about 9 days out of 10 in the pub.
And I say a lot worse in real life than I do on here
Like I said, it's not even an issue in my life. Folk spoke about it at the time it was happening and apart from the odd comment here and there it isn't a main topic with anyone that I see daily, weekly, or even now and then.
Maybe it is for the older generation, not being cheeky BTW. I think you're a bit older than me.
The most I see it is on social media and both sides give it as good as they get, which IMO is pointless because the type that post about it on social media are very unlikely to change their minds and it just goes round and round in circles, ends up in name calling and one-upmanship until the next time a debate starts.
It was quite a surprise to me to see how many people were well into it when I joined Scotland mad about 10 year ago and it dragged me in a bit. I try to stay away from it nowadays but I may put a comment in here or there if I feel like it.
Just the way I see it.
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
He is full of **** shite, still the same roaster as before.
Millwall 😂😂😂
How old are you ?
Not about age but intelligence.
Very true
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So no food banks in Norway?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?
Considering people in Norway get around 3 or 4 times the wage we get here in similar jobs.
The bottom line they have no dept and the people come first .
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Mo, don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you are being a drama queen.
I’ve never heard of anyone falling out, I sit in the Derry and nobody discusses this as they are watching the match.
I never hear anyone argue about it in the pub before or after a match.
I never hear anyone argue about it on a bus to an away game.
Basically, I’ve never heard anyone fall out about this with friends, family or colleagues, as that would just be stupid.
It was just before the referendum Coyne. I got absolute dogs abuse from people all around where I sat because I was voting no. It was a total eye opener and put me off going to watch the club I held a season ticket with for years.
Last game I went to at Dens was a couple of seasons ago when we played Celtic. Was in Whites bar with a couple of mates when the green brigade walked in. A couple of minutes later we walked put as they started singing their ira pish. Then at Dens the songs they sang and the way they behaved means I will never attend a celtic game again. Will go and watch the Dee at some point but prefer to go to away games.
Missus much prefers going to watch Millwall though.
And honestly mate and I know its stupid but I know and have myself been fallen out with because of my political beliefs. And hand on heart I can say it was not my fault at all.
Thats life 🤷♂️
Listen, yer full of **** shite.
A Millwall fan now who had no allegiance to them growing up.
Massive Dee who no longer goes 😂.
Save me the bullshit, yer a complete a **** whopper.
How did people in the Derry know you voted no?
Honestly, you were a **** crackpot on the old board, even more so now.
You still wearing Clone Island 😂😂😂
Those who slag off Stone Island simply don't know what they're talking about.
Despite a rise of neds wearing it over the years, it still remains an absolutely quality and classic brand.
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
He is full of **** shite, still the same roaster as before.
Millwall 😂😂😂
How old are you ?
Not about age but intelligence.
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
He wore a t shirt with 55 on it😂😂😂😂
Naw, I got that after the vote 🙂🇬🇧
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If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.
It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.
Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.
You don't exactly have to look for it, the wee tyrant is on tv just about every day. As I said its talked about 9 days out of 10 in the pub.
And I say a lot worse in real life than I do on here
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
He is full of **** shite, still the same roaster as before.
Millwall 😂😂😂
How old are you ?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I don't know what your life is like but it doesn't even get talked about in my life, doesn't get mentioned at work, doesn't get mentioned in social circles.
Only place is online.
My life is good thanks. Politics gets talked about 9 days out of 10 at the pub. Not at work though as it cannot bring any good.
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I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actually attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
Where do you get your figures from ?
My son did do a count in the Edinburgh one last year working out an average taking in the time of the march from start to finish .
'A Force For Good' - They go through the marches on video and count sections, multiplying depending on the time it takes it pass.
Pretty sure they are generous too with the counting too e.g. if a Palestine, Catalan, Ireland flag or other type of banner obscures the sight of a section, they'll count the maximum amount that could be obscured.
I can tell you both group's are well off .
But I've never seen them video a whole march or even do a count . The guy who organises the FFG is actually a really nice guy I've spoke to him and shook his hand after the Aberdeen march . Very approachable.
Are you referring to Alistair McConnachie? The guy with the megaphone lol? I met him a while back at a Unionist event and he is, as you say, a nice guy. He gave me a leaflet at an Orange Walk once too.
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Mo, don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you are being a drama queen.
I’ve never heard of anyone falling out, I sit in the Derry and nobody discusses this as they are watching the match.
I never hear anyone argue about it in the pub before or after a match.
I never hear anyone argue about it on a bus to an away game.
Basically, I’ve never heard anyone fall out about this with friends, family or colleagues, as that would just be stupid.
It was just before the referendum Coyne. I got absolute dogs abuse from people all around where I sat because I was voting no. It was a total eye opener and put me off going to watch the club I held a season ticket with for years.
Last game I went to at Dens was a couple of seasons ago when we played Celtic. Was in Whites bar with a couple of mates when the green brigade walked in. A couple of minutes later we walked put as they started singing their ira pish. Then at Dens the songs they sang and the way they behaved means I will never attend a celtic game again. Will go and watch the Dee at some point but prefer to go to away games.
Missus much prefers going to watch Millwall though.
And honestly mate and I know its stupid but I know and have myself been fallen out with because of my political beliefs. And hand on heart I can say it was not my fault at all.
Thats life 🤷♂️
Listen, yer full of **** shite.
A Millwall fan now who had no allegiance to them growing up.
Massive Dee who no longer goes 😂.
Save me the bullshit, yer a complete a **** whopper.
How did people in the Derry know you voted no?
Honestly, you were a **** crackpot on the old board, even more so now.
You still wearing Clone Island 😂😂😂
How do you know what I had allegiance to or didn't to when I was growing up ?
Don't go because I work 5 out of 6 weekends.
What a stupid question. We were away to vote on Scotlands future so we were talking about it
No I had 1stone island t shirt that was bought for me as a gift. Its worn out now so do not have 1 article of their clothing.
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
Eh ? We were talking about it, after all we were away to vote on the countries future.
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Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
That wasn’t on the ballot paper.
It was Leave or Remain.
Who says it’s not getting a special deal?
Are you privy to negotiations?
Can you give us the inside track?
The leave campaign promised a fantastic trade deal when asking people to vote Leave. Not No Deal. Didn’t they?
It was leave or remain.
People believe what they want to believe.
I voted remain but the majority voted leave.
Majority wins.
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TBF at the time they were promising all sorts of fantastics deals with other countries.
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Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
That wasn’t on the ballot paper.
It was Leave or Remain.
Who says it’s not getting a special deal?
Are you privy to negotiations?
Can you give us the inside track?
The leave campaign promised a fantastic trade deal when asking people to vote Leave. Not No Deal. Didn’t they?
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Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
That wasn’t on the ballot paper.
It was Leave or Remain.
Who says it’s not getting a special deal?
Are you privy to negotiations?
Can you give us the inside track?
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Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
But Buc keeps telling us Westminster DOES want us? 🤔
Boris might. The electorate in England don’t.
Neither Boris nor the electorate wants NI.
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Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
But Buc keeps telling us Westminster DOES want us? 🤔
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Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
Nobody voted to leave without a trade deal. NI was getting a special deal and now they’re not.
The Union doesn’t want you.
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Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
We voted to leave the EU.
There was no deal or no deal option, just remain or leave.
We voted to leave so leave we should.
-
Looks like Boris is to renege on the special arrangement for NI and impose No Deal Brexit on whole UK, in breach of international treaties.
Expect independence support to rise above 60% and a border poll in Ireland.
It seems Britain definitely doesn’t want NI anymore and is happy now for Scotland to choose independence. Unionists need to face up to the fact that the Union has betrayed them and sold them out. They can now be a positive force for Scotland’s future.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
Did anyone on here say that?
It was said across the road and by many others.
Was it not that you didn’t have to be a racist to vote for Brexit but that all racists voted for Brexit? I think it’s a crass point myself, although probably correct.
That is probably fairly accurate as obviously not all people that voted for it are racist.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
Did anyone on here say that?
It was said across the road and by many others.
Was it not that you didn’t have to be a racist to vote for Brexit but that all racists voted for Brexit? I think it’s a crass point myself, although probably correct.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
Did anyone on here say that?
It was said across the road and by many others.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
What's the cost of living in Norway compared to Scotland?
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I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actually attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
Where do you get your figures from ?
My son did do a count in the Edinburgh one last year working out an average taking in the time of the march from start to finish .
'A Force For Good' - They go through the marches on video and count sections, multiplying depending on the time it takes it pass.
Pretty sure they are generous too with the counting too e.g. if a Palestine, Catalan, Ireland flag or other type of banner obscures the sight of a section, they'll count the maximum amount that could be obscured.
I can tell you both group's are well off .
But I've never seen them video a whole march or even do a count . The guy who organises the FFG is actually a really nice guy I've spoke to him and shook his hand after the Aberdeen march . Very approachable.
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I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actually attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
Where do you get your figures from ?
My son did do a count in the Edinburgh one last year working out an average taking in the time of the march from start to finish .
'A Force For Good' - They go through the marches on video and count sections, multiplying depending on the time it takes it pass.
Pretty sure they are generous too with the counting too e.g. if a Palestine, Catalan, Ireland flag or other type of banner obscures the sight of a section, they'll count the maximum amount that could be obscured.
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I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actually attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
Where do you get your figures from ?
My son did do a count in the Edinburgh one last year working out an average taking in the time of the march from start to finish .
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I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
The attendances (actual attendances, not the numbers they claim) for these marches are pitiful.
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
I'm not so sure. I reckon support could fall away after what would be a COVID bounce. Polling from the time of the 2014 referendum showed that the very young were more pro-Union than those slightly older, although admittedly there wasn't much in it. It was like separation had lost it's edge and wasn't cool anymore (in my opinion it's never been cool), although I do agree that the older ones were heavy staunch for the Union and that them dying won't do us any favours.
It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and whether support for separation will indeed continue to climb like many claim.
I don't think it's easy to predict politics as there are so many variables these days.
If you look at Twitter, any of the Under One Braincell marches and the bridges for Indy idiots, you’ll notice that they’re mostly older people.
Don’t see where the older ones being staunch ‘unionists’ comes from.
Oh I dunno, maybe just from all polling data ever on the subject. But I guess your sojourns around the twitter sphere constitute more reliable data.
The All Under One Braincell Marches?
Bridges For Indy? ( no sniggering now)
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All under one Braincell marches goodness me .my wife's Spanish friend Mercedes was a Psychiatrist now retired who retired whilst advising government's has done a few marches has one Braincell you never been to one march to think this.
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
I'm not so sure. I reckon support could fall away after what would be a COVID bounce. Polling from the time of the 2014 referendum showed that the very young were more pro-Union than those slightly older, although admittedly there wasn't much in it. It was like separation had lost it's edge and wasn't cool anymore (in my opinion it's never been cool), although I do agree that the older ones were heavy staunch for the Union and that them dying won't do us any favours.
It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and whether support for separation will indeed continue to climb like many claim.
I don't think it's easy to predict politics as there are so many variables these days.
If you look at Twitter, any of the Under One Braincell marches and the bridges for Indy idiots, you’ll notice that they’re mostly older people.
Don’t see where the older ones being staunch ‘unionists’ comes from.
Oh I dunno, maybe just from all polling data ever on the subject. But I guess your sojourns around the twitter sphere constitute more reliable data.
The All Under One Braincell Marches?
Bridges For Indy? ( no sniggering now)
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If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.
It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.
Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.
Well said Spit 👍
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If politics really affects you then you're looking for it.
It's very rare for your average person to mention politics even on a semi regular basis.
Social media is very different from real life. It basically gives license to make some people think they can say what they want.
If you wouldn't say it in real life, don't say it online.
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
He is full of **** shite, still the same roaster as before.
Millwall 😂😂😂
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
I'm not so sure. I reckon support could fall away after what would be a COVID bounce. Polling from the time of the 2014 referendum showed that the very young were more pro-Union than those slightly older, although admittedly there wasn't much in it. It was like separation had lost it's edge and wasn't cool anymore (in my opinion it's never been cool), although I do agree that the older ones were heavy staunch for the Union and that them dying won't do us any favours.
It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and whether support for separation will indeed continue to climb like many claim.
I don't think it's easy to predict politics as there are so many variables these days.
If you look at Twitter, any of the Under One Braincell marches and the bridges for Indy idiots, you’ll notice that they’re mostly older people.
Don’t see where the older ones being staunch ‘unionists’ comes from.
Oh I dunno, maybe just from all polling data ever on the subject. But I guess your sojourns around the twitter sphere constitute more reliable data.
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
I'm not so sure. I reckon support could fall away after what would be a COVID bounce. Polling from the time of the 2014 referendum showed that the very young were more pro-Union than those slightly older, although admittedly there wasn't much in it. It was like separation had lost it's edge and wasn't cool anymore (in my opinion it's never been cool), although I do agree that the older ones were heavy staunch for the Union and that them dying won't do us any favours.
It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and whether support for separation will indeed continue to climb like many claim.
I don't think it's easy to predict politics as there are so many variables these days.
If you look at Twitter, any of the Under One Braincell marches and the bridges for Indy idiots, you’ll notice that they’re mostly older people.
Don’t see where the older ones being staunch ‘unionists’ comes from.
Rubbish.
It's a big mix that do the marches .
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I don't know what your life is like but it doesn't even get talked about in my life, doesn't get mentioned at work, doesn't get mentioned in social circles.
Only place is online.
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Mo, don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you are being a drama queen.
I’ve never heard of anyone falling out, I sit in the Derry and nobody discusses this as they are watching the match.
I never hear anyone argue about it in the pub before or after a match.
I never hear anyone argue about it on a bus to an away game.
Basically, I’ve never heard anyone fall out about this with friends, family or colleagues, as that would just be stupid.
It was just before the referendum Coyne. I got absolute dogs abuse from people all around where I sat because I was voting no. It was a total eye opener and put me off going to watch the club I held a season ticket with for years.
Last game I went to at Dens was a couple of seasons ago when we played Celtic. Was in Whites bar with a couple of mates when the green brigade walked in. A couple of minutes later we walked put as they started singing their ira pish. Then at Dens the songs they sang and the way they behaved means I will never attend a celtic game again. Will go and watch the Dee at some point but prefer to go to away games.
Missus much prefers going to watch Millwall though.
And honestly mate and I know its stupid but I know and have myself been fallen out with because of my political beliefs. And hand on heart I can say it was not my fault at all.
Thats life 🤷♂️
Listen, yer full of **** shite.
A Millwall fan now who had no allegiance to them growing up.
Massive Dee who no longer goes 😂.
Save me the bullshit, yer a complete a **** whopper.
How did people in the Derry know you voted no?
Honestly, you were a **** crackpot on the old board, even more so now.
You still wearing Clone Island 😂😂😂
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
He wore a t shirt with 55 on it😂😂😂😂
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I know plenty no voting Dundee fans and it's never been mentioned at the football once. How did folk in the Derry know you voted no, LionMo?
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I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
No such thing as a London Government election.
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I've never seen fall outs at Scotland games pre match during or after .
We are all there to support the team and have a good time .
I've never even heard anyone bringing up independence during the games how the hell would anyone fall out we someone for voting no if they don't know you .
As regards families of course there's political arguments they just didn't start with an independence vote .
Families have come to blows because my brother or aunty or uncle is a Torie that's politics way before 2014.
I know I lived through it I've seen a huge cowboy fight in the lord Byron in Northfield in the 70s police cars hospital treatment it was mental was just before a London government election .
Tell me one incident of a punch up during an independence march .
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
I'm not so sure. I reckon support could fall away after what would be a COVID bounce. Polling from the time of the 2014 referendum showed that the very young were more pro-Union than those slightly older, although admittedly there wasn't much in it. It was like separation had lost it's edge and wasn't cool anymore (in my opinion it's never been cool), although I do agree that the older ones were heavy staunch for the Union and that them dying won't do us any favours.
It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and whether support for separation will indeed continue to climb like many claim.
I don't think it's easy to predict politics as there are so many variables these days.
If you look at Twitter, any of the Under One Braincell marches and the bridges for Indy idiots, you’ll notice that they’re mostly older people.
Don’t see where the older ones being staunch ‘unionists’ comes from.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
Did anyone on here say that?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I think the division is great. It’s really interesting and I’m much happier with this division than when it was boring Labour v Tory division.
Fair enough, another baffling comment that I do not get. Its absolutely horrible that no good can come out of. Friends, families, workmates all falling out. All my mates absolutely hate it and want it to stop which sadly it wont. I want to live in a pre referendum happy country where you could go to Scotland games without 45 yes on peoples tops. Sit in the Derry and not get abused. Wear a saltire on your t shirt with pride, not like now. Not to be embarrased by bully boy at WM and the rest of them.
Well I like it.
What does someone else wearing 45 yes on a Scotland top have to do with you? Why does it affect you?
Like I said fair enough, you like it, I don't 🤷♂️ 🙂Nothing to do with me mate but football and politics should be kept separate imo. It affects me because it makes me annoyed to see it. Sad maybe but to me its wrong just like people putting yes on a saltire.
This doesn’t make sense though Mo. What’s it to you what other people wear or what other people’s political views are?
Absolutely nothing to me mate but at a Scotland game I do not want to see 45 yes on a Scotland top. Makes me annoyed and sad. Keep politics and your poltical view out of sport, especially an international football game.
Look on the bright side Mo, saved the guy wearing a t shirt saying ‘I backed a loser and don’t support ra Sellik’.
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
I'm not so sure. I reckon support could fall away after what would be a COVID bounce. Polling from the time of the 2014 referendum showed that the very young were more pro-Union than those slightly older, although admittedly there wasn't much in it. It was like separation had lost it's edge and wasn't cool anymore (in my opinion it's never been cool), although I do agree that the older ones were heavy staunch for the Union and that them dying won't do us any favours.
It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and whether support for separation will indeed continue to climb like many claim.
I don't think it's easy to predict politics as there are so many variables these days.
COVID should have knocked independence support downwards, with the furlough scheme, broad shoulders of the UK etc.
Agree it is very hard to predict with any real confidence.
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I share a lot of Wings’ frustration with Nicola Sturgeon. I think she was a great Health Minister but she is a very poor First Minister and an even worse party leader.
She is up to her neck in the plot to frame and eliminate Salmond and she surrounds herself with all kids of wokie weirdos. She is also breathtakingly arrogant.
Everything I've seen or heard makes me think that Salmond was indeed set up, and those in the Salmond camp have more integrity than those against IMO.
As much as Wings Over Bath talks a power of pish, I can't help but think he's right regarding this issue, as well as double standards with the prosecution of Craig Murray for contempt of court but not going after a particular journo. There's something going on IMO.
Craig Murray is the first person in Scottish history prosecuted for supposed jigsaw identification.
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
I'm not so sure. I reckon support could fall away after what would be a COVID bounce. Polling from the time of the 2014 referendum showed that the very young were more pro-Union than those slightly older, although admittedly there wasn't much in it. It was like separation had lost it's edge and wasn't cool anymore (in my opinion it's never been cool), although I do agree that the older ones were heavy staunch for the Union and that them dying won't do us any favours.
It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and whether support for separation will indeed continue to climb like many claim.
I don't think it's easy to predict politics as there are so many variables these days.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I think the division is great. It’s really interesting and I’m much happier with this division than when it was boring Labour v Tory division.
Fair enough, another baffling comment that I do not get. Its absolutely horrible that no good can come out of. Friends, families, workmates all falling out. All my mates absolutely hate it and want it to stop which sadly it wont. I want to live in a pre referendum happy country where you could go to Scotland games without 45 yes on peoples tops. Sit in the Derry and not get abused. Wear a saltire on your t shirt with pride, not like now. Not to be embarrased by bully boy at WM and the rest of them.
Well I like it.
What does someone else wearing 45 yes on a Scotland top have to do with you? Why does it affect you?
Like I said fair enough, you like it, I don't 🤷♂️ 🙂Nothing to do with me mate but football and politics should be kept separate imo. It affects me because it makes me annoyed to see it. Sad maybe but to me its wrong just like people putting yes on a saltire.
This doesn’t make sense though Mo. What’s it to you what other people wear or what other people’s political views are?
Absolutely nothing to me mate but at a Scotland game I do not want to see 45 yes on a Scotland top. Makes me annoyed and sad. Keep politics and your poltical view out of sport, especially an international football game.
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I share a lot of Wings’ frustration with Nicola Sturgeon. I think she was a great Health Minister but she is a very poor First Minister and an even worse party leader.
She is up to her neck in the plot to frame and eliminate Salmond and she surrounds herself with all kids of wokie weirdos. She is also breathtakingly arrogant.
Everything I've seen or heard makes me think that Salmond was indeed set up, and those in the Salmond camp have more integrity than those against IMO.
As much as Wings Over Bath talks a power of pish, I can't help but think he's right regarding this issue, as well as double standards with the prosecution of Craig Murray for contempt of court but not going after a particular journo. There's something going on IMO.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I think the division is great. It’s really interesting and I’m much happier with this division than when it was boring Labour v Tory division.
Fair enough, another baffling comment that I do not get. Its absolutely horrible that no good can come out of. Friends, families, workmates all falling out. All my mates absolutely hate it and want it to stop which sadly it wont. I want to live in a pre referendum happy country where you could go to Scotland games without 45 yes on peoples tops. Sit in the Derry and not get abused. Wear a saltire on your t shirt with pride, not like now. Not to be embarrased by bully boy at WM and the rest of them.
Well I like it.
What does someone else wearing 45 yes on a Scotland top have to do with you? Why does it affect you?
Like I said fair enough, you like it, I don't 🤷♂️ 🙂Nothing to do with me mate but football and politics should be kept separate imo. It affects me because it makes me annoyed to see it. Sad maybe but to me its wrong just like people putting yes on a saltire.
This doesn’t make sense though Mo. What’s it to you what other people wear or what other people’s political views are?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I think the division is great. It’s really interesting and I’m much happier with this division than when it was boring Labour v Tory division.
Fair enough, another baffling comment that I do not get. Its absolutely horrible that no good can come out of. Friends, families, workmates all falling out. All my mates absolutely hate it and want it to stop which sadly it wont. I want to live in a pre referendum happy country where you could go to Scotland games without 45 yes on peoples tops. Sit in the Derry and not get abused. Wear a saltire on your t shirt with pride, not like now. Not to be embarrased by bully boy at WM and the rest of them.
Well I like it.
What does someone else wearing 45 yes on a Scotland top have to do with you? Why does it affect you?
Like I said fair enough, you like it, I don't 🤷♂️ 🙂Nothing to do with me mate but football and politics should be kept separate imo. It affects me because it makes me annoyed to see it. Sad maybe but to me its wrong just like people putting yes on a saltire.
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Mo, don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you are being a drama queen.
I’ve never heard of anyone falling out, I sit in the Derry and nobody discusses this as they are watching the match.
I never hear anyone argue about it in the pub before or after a match.
I never hear anyone argue about it on a bus to an away game.
Basically, I’ve never heard anyone fall out about this with friends, family or colleagues, as that would just be stupid.
It was just before the referendum Coyne. I got absolute dogs abuse from people all around where I sat because I was voting no. It was a total eye opener and put me off going to watch the club I held a season ticket with for years.
Last game I went to at Dens was a couple of seasons ago when we played Celtic. Was in Whites bar with a couple of mates when the green brigade walked in. A couple of minutes later we walked put as they started singing their ira pish. Then at Dens the songs they sang and the way they behaved means I will never attend a celtic game again. Will go and watch the Dee at some point but prefer to go to away games.
Missus much prefers going to watch Millwall though.
And honestly mate and I know its stupid but I know and have myself been fallen out with because of my political beliefs. And hand on heart I can say it was not my fault at all.
Thats life 🤷♂️
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I think the division is great. It’s really interesting and I’m much happier with this division than when it was boring Labour v Tory division.
Fair enough, another baffling comment that I do not get. Its absolutely horrible that no good can come out of. Friends, families, workmates all falling out. All my mates absolutely hate it and want it to stop which sadly it wont. I want to live in a pre referendum happy country where you could go to Scotland games without 45 yes on peoples tops. Sit in the Derry and not get abused. Wear a saltire on your t shirt with pride, not like now. Not to be embarrased by bully boy at WM and the rest of them.
Well I like it.
What does someone else wearing 45 yes on a Scotland top have to do with you? Why does it affect you?
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Mo, don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you are being a drama queen.
I’ve never heard of anyone falling out, I sit in the Derry and nobody discusses this as they are watching the match.
I never hear anyone argue about it in the pub before or after a match.
I never hear anyone argue about it on a bus to an away game.
Basically, I’ve never heard anyone fall out about this with friends, family or colleagues, as that would just be stupid.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I think the division is great. It’s really interesting and I’m much happier with this division than when it was boring Labour v Tory division.
Fair enough, another baffling comment that I do not get. Its absolutely horrible that no good can come out of. Friends, families, workmates all falling out. All my mates absolutely hate it and want it to stop which sadly it wont. I want to live in a pre referendum happy country where you could go to Scotland games without 45 yes on peoples tops. Sit in the Derry and not get abused. Wear a saltire on your t shirt with pride, not like now. Not to be embarrased by bully boy at WM and the rest of them.
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You know that everything will be worse. Yes or no?
(https://i.ibb.co/HhG1Tkj/A1-FA3-FBC-F7-FC-4205-8297-839-C6-B7-F65-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nPQZM5F)
Listen, we’ve all seen you dragged kicking and screaming into admitting you don’t have any answers.
Please don’t embarrass yourself further by keeping the kettle boiling.
I have no wish for you to prostitute yourself in this manner.
When you have answers to the simple questions I put to you, by all means come back with them and I’ll give you my time on the issue.
That’s a promise.
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You know that everything will be worse. Yes or no?
(https://i.ibb.co/HhG1Tkj/A1-FA3-FBC-F7-FC-4205-8297-839-C6-B7-F65-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nPQZM5F)
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.
We got there in the end.
I think a lot of things would be better, where as you think everything would be worse.
But you don’t know, do you? Yes or no?
(https://i.ibb.co/HhG1Tkj/A1-FA3-FBC-F7-FC-4205-8297-839-C6-B7-F65-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nPQZM5F)
Where have I said they would be worse?
I think any sane person would see that starting at least 15bn in the hole would be a serious issue and might very well make Scotland worse off than it is at present.
Agree?
Yes or no.
You made a statement saying I think everything would be worse.
Show everyone the link.
Cheers.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.
We got there in the end.
I think a lot of things would be better, where as you think everything would be worse.
But you don’t know, do you? Yes or no?
(https://i.ibb.co/HhG1Tkj/A1-FA3-FBC-F7-FC-4205-8297-839-C6-B7-F65-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nPQZM5F)
Where have I said they would be worse?
I think any sane person would see that starting at least 15bn in the hole would be a serious issue and might very well make Scotland worse off than it is at present.
Agree?
Yes or no.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.
We got there in the end.
I think a lot of things would be better, where as you think everything would be worse.
But you don’t know, do you? Yes or no?
(https://i.ibb.co/HhG1Tkj/A1-FA3-FBC-F7-FC-4205-8297-839-C6-B7-F65-E4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nPQZM5F)
Where have I said they would be worse?
I think any sane person would see that starting at least 15bn in the hole would be a serious issue and might very well make Scotland worse off than it is at present.
Agree?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
I think the division is great. It’s really interesting and I’m much happier with this division than when it was boring Labour v Tory division.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.
We got there in the end.
I think a lot of things would be better, where as you think everything would be worse.
But you don’t know, do you? Yes or no?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Yeah, most people don’t really buy that bullshit anymore.
So what else are you offering?
The Scottish government confirm it.
They don’t call it bullshit.
Scottish Government. Can’t run a bath when it suits you. Fount of all wisdom when it suits you. Ridiculous.
The record of the Scottish government on health and education is terrible....that’s borne out by facts.
The finances of Scotland are collated and backed up by facts that the Scottish government stand on.
The fact you don’t believe official government figures is baffling.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
No need for the abuse mate 🙁
It’s what they do when the questions get too tough for them...sadly.
No tears from you please, you have been abusive yourself to posters.
It was just an observation and my genuine sincerely held view. Swearing is normal.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Yeah, most people don’t really buy that bullshit anymore.
So what else are you offering?
The Scottish government confirm it.
They don’t call it bullshit.
Scottish Government. Can’t run a bath when it suits you. Fount of all wisdom when it suits you. Ridiculous.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
No need for the abuse mate 🙁
It’s what they do when the questions get too tough for them...sadly.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
No need for the abuse mate 🙁
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
The country has politically been split in 2 back in the 60s I saw massive fights with Torie voters and labour voters even at work it's not a new thing .
Politics split in 2 is a worldwide thing .
The SNP were supposed to never take control of Scotland it was designed in area voting but they didn't allow for a massive surge .
I remember 20.000 now over 120k members and having party meetings in small halls to selling out in Glasgow massive changes and for the better .
I go to some marches I haven't myself seen one fight with yoons or indeed anyone else .
Loads of families we dogs pipe bands even a lad we a big speaker on a trolley playing disco music it's a massive day out .
We do have a band of flag waving unionists probably around 30 to 50 that's it but they do their thing and we do ours .
We are on 55% but my worry is the many unionist press will start the front page scare stories again remember the leader of the no vote said without the press backing of the scare stories we would've struggled to win ..
I can smell the fear .
Independence is normal .
How much debt would Scotland start with and how do we pay that back ?
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.
We got there in the end.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Yeah, most people don’t really buy that bullshit anymore.
So what else are you offering?
It is not bullshit mate. The figures are there for all to see. Is that not enough.
Being part of one of if not the most succesful Unions of all time.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
There is no London government.
How would an iScotland pay pensions?
Which currency would it be in?
No such currency as the Scottish pound.
Where are the SNP plans?
This has nothing to do with Norway.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.
This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.
You’re not acting in good faith, are you?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.
I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.
But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Without WM, we wouldn’t have had to hand over our revenues in the first place for it to be handed back as pocket money. Smaller and less well equipped countries that Scotland have looked after their people better during the pandemic.
We get more money back than we give them.
And blame sturgeon and the snp for your last sentence.
We only “give” them a certain amount because so much is taken and allocated on our behalf. Scotland is economically viable, as all the Yoon parties admitted in 2014.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Yeah, most people don’t really buy that bullshit anymore.
So what else are you offering?
The Scottish government confirm it.
They don’t call it bullshit.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .
Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .
Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
The country has politically been split in 2 back in the 60s I saw massive fights with Torie voters and labour voters even at work it's not a new thing .
Politics split in 2 is a worldwide thing .
The SNP were supposed to never take control of Scotland it was designed in area voting but they didn't allow for a massive surge .
I remember 20.000 now over 120k members and having party meetings in small halls to selling out in Glasgow massive changes and for the better .
I go to some marches I haven't myself seen one fight with yoons or indeed anyone else .
Loads of families we dogs pipe bands even a lad we a big speaker on a trolley playing disco music it's a massive day out .
We do have a band of flag waving unionists probably around 30 to 50 that's it but they do their thing and we do ours .
We are on 55% but my worry is the many unionist press will start the front page scare stories again remember the leader of the no vote said without the press backing of the scare stories we would've struggled to win ..
I can smell the fear .
Independence is normal .
The SNP are a minority government.
Flags and pipe bands😂😂😂
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Yeah, most people don’t really buy that bullshit anymore.
So what else are you offering?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.
What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?
Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
The country has politically been split in 2 back in the 60s I saw massive fights with Torie voters and labour voters even at work it's not a new thing .
Politics split in 2 is a worldwide thing .
The SNP were supposed to never take control of Scotland it was designed in area voting but they didn't allow for a massive surge .
I remember 20.000 now over 120k members and having party meetings in small halls to selling out in Glasgow massive changes and for the better .
I go to some marches I haven't myself seen one fight with yoons or indeed anyone else .
Loads of families we dogs pipe bands even a lad we a big speaker on a trolley playing disco music it's a massive day out .
We do have a band of flag waving unionists probably around 30 to 50 that's it but they do their thing and we do ours .
We are on 55% but my worry is the many unionist press will start the front page scare stories again remember the leader of the no vote said without the press backing of the scare stories we would've struggled to win ..
I can smell the fear .
Independence is normal .
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
How is the debt affecting you?
We are still in Europe, we haven’t moved continents.
No one has said being independent is wrong.
What resources do we have that other countries would give an arm and a leg for?
How would we grow the economy?
In your own time.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.
The questions aren’t even difficult.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
Totally disagree Buc. We cream it from WM.
The National 🙈
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .
When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .
The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
Exactly but don't worry everything will be fine 🙈
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Without WM, we wouldn’t have had to hand over our revenues in the first place for it to be handed back as pocket money. Smaller and less well equipped countries that Scotland have looked after their people better during the pandemic.
We get more money back than we give them.
And blame sturgeon and the snp for your last sentence.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .
There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .
And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .
It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Without WM, we wouldn’t have had to hand over our revenues in the first place for it to be handed back as pocket money. Smaller and less well equipped countries that Scotland have looked after their people better during the pandemic.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.
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Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈
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Life is all about taking risks
Very true but there is risks and there is massive risks playing with everyones future. Imo a risk not worth taking
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
That wouldn’t keep the natives on side though.
The gullible always fall for it.
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.
I honestly do not get it when the figures and other worlds leading economists say otherwise. Personally I think we would be walking into a financial disaster with austerity max.
I cannot get my head round an obviously intelligent guy that has done very well for himself will even take the risk. Especially when you have kids as well.
I get the dafties like the 25 in my work who is freedom, **** England etc... who does not have a clue. But someone like you, why ? 🤔
The world’s leading economists don’t take that view though, it’s just false to say they do.
The one you quoted says that we would be like Greece if we were to join the eu as an independent country. He supported brexit, do you agree with him?
I was always on the fence re Brexit. I don’t have a strong view there.
You should look at Professor Blyth’s most recent contribution and check the main consensus among leading economists.
Just to confirm, Kevin Hague, the online period shop owner, isn’t an economist.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.
That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.
Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.
It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.
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Life is all about taking risks
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.
I honestly do not get it when the figures and other worlds leading economists say otherwise. Personally I think we would be walking into a financial disaster with austerity max.
I cannot get my head round an obviously intelligent guy that has done very well for himself will even take the risk. Especially when you have kids as well.
I get the dafties like the 25 in my work who is freedom, **** England etc... who does not have a clue. But someone like you, why ? 🤔
The world’s leading economists don’t take that view though, it’s just false to say they do.
The one you quoted says that we would be like Greece if we were to join the eu as an independent country. He supported brexit, do you agree with him?
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
It's almost as daft as saying everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷♂️,
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.
I honestly do not get it when the figures and other worlds leading economists say otherwise. Personally I think we would be walking into a financial disaster with austerity max.
I cannot get my head round an obviously intelligent guy that has done very well for himself will even take the risk. Especially when you have kids as well.
I get the dafties like the 25 in my work who is freedom, **** England etc... who does not have a clue. But someone like you, why ? 🤔
The world’s leading economists don’t take that view though, it’s just false to say they do.
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Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.
I honestly do not get it when the figures and other worlds leading economists say otherwise. Personally I think we would be walking into a financial disaster with austerity max.
I cannot get my head round an obviously intelligent guy that has done very well for himself will even take the risk. Especially when you have kids as well.
I get the dafties like the 25 in my work who is freedom, **** England etc... who does not have a clue. But someone like you, why ? 🤔
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
I think it’s highly probable that we would be, yes. So do some of the world’s leading economists but I must just say I got there first.
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
Do you seriously and honestly think we would be better off financially with independece ? 🤔
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
No it’s fault as such, no. Just a practical reality of the current arrangement.
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
🙈
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
And the big bad Tories. The snp are never, ever going to take the blame for totally **** the country up. Of course its their fault. They have more money to spend per head than the rest of the UK, get back much more from the barnett formula than we send down to WM. If we had independence we would be even worse off. God forbid that ever happens. Its about time as you say to stop the neverendum and sort the total mess out they have created. They will not though as they are a bunch of incompetent, selfish bastards. **** me I hate this country sometimes.
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
Westmonster's fault? 🙄
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
Can’t be fixed properly without control of our own economy.
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The SNP should ditch this neverendum crap and concentrate fixing the things that they've made a total **** of. Like health, education and basically running the country properly.
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I share a lot of Wings’ frustration with Nicola Sturgeon. I think she was a great Health Minister but she is a very poor First Minister and an even worse party leader.
She is up to her neck in the plot to frame and eliminate Salmond and she surrounds herself with all kids of wokie weirdos. She is also breathtakingly arrogant.
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The rise in support of independence in in spite of the SNP rather than because of it. It is far wider than party political now, with many Labour, Green And fringe socialist group supporters in favour. It is the fault line in Scottish politics.
Another factor is demographic shift. Older voters are of course dying and they are the least likely to change their view, having been told all their life by the full apparatus of the British state that Scotland Can’t. I don’t say that to be provocative, it’s a genuine consideration.
At the same time you have younger voters coming through for whom the concept of independence is the norm and something that old folks were against. That helps.
But the biggest shift is in the Scottish middle classes who look with horror and embarrassment on UK governance. I know a lot of people who were bitterly opposed in 2014 who are now vociferously in favour. They feel betrayed and the promises made to them were disregarded.
It’s a soup of unionists own making. They could have been much nicer and more conciliatory after their victory in 2014, and promises could have been kept. Scotland could have had a special arrangement with the EU after Brexit but all suggestions from Scotland were ignored and sneered at.
Now, regardless of what the SNP do, support will continue to rise. And even a campaign forensically targettongbthe weaknesses on the Yes case, of which there are many, will not be enough.
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I must admit, I'm a bit confused with this, something just doesn't add up.
With the opinion polls showing an increase in support for splitting up the country, what is the reason for this?
To me, it seems that this has mainly taken place during the pandemic. There was a slight, knee-jerk bounce after the Brexit vote, but that fell away.
Is it just the optics of Sturgeon versus Boris with regards to COVID press briefings? If so, I can't see it being sustainable once a vaccine is eventually created. Let's also not forget that opinion polling consistently showed a considerably smaller gap between Yes and No than the actual referendum did, there's no reason to suggest the same still isn't the case.
I've also noticed Wings Over Bath consistently showing anger toward Sturgeon for parking calls for a referendum on separation until this is over. What do our resident Nationalists think of his attitudes toward her?