EthicalScottishFitba
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: guest17 on December 15, 2020, 10:52:49 am
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That’s pretty good! And fair.
At least Mo will he pleaded with the SNP for a change.
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Just my tuppence worth, I've a family member that was an addict.
For years he managed to hide it, even holding down a job for the whole time. He's now a family man with his own business, nice house, nice car, doesn't touch anything that might cause him to lapse, even alcohol.
He also does a bit of work with helping addicts come away from drugs, counselling etc.
If he can come through the other side then so can anyone.
That's a heart warming story, Jake. Well played to him.
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Just my tuppence worth, I've a family member that was an addict.
For years he managed to hide it, even holding down a job for the whole time. He's now a family man with his own business, nice house, nice car, doesn't touch anything that might cause him to lapse, even alcohol.
He also does a bit of work with helping addicts come away from drugs, counselling etc.
If he can come through the other side then so can anyone.
Well done to that man .
I don't my cap to him.
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Just my tuppence worth, I've a family member that was an addict.
For years he managed to hide it, even holding down a job for the whole time. He's now a family man with his own business, nice house, nice car, doesn't touch anything that might cause him to lapse, even alcohol.
He also does a bit of work with helping addicts come away from drugs, counselling etc.
If he can come through the other side then so can anyone.
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I’ve told you what I’m saying. You can run away or you can show me the figures.
Silly.
Glad you agree spending was cut.
We got there in the end.
Don’t tell me, another wet iPhone.
What a fückin tool you are.
What are you greeting about now?
Greeting?
Laughing more like at your quote function issues....AGAIN.
Thickstuff.
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I’ve told you what I’m saying. You can run away or you can show me the figures.
Silly.
Glad you agree spending was cut.
We got there in the end.
Don’t tell me, another wet iPhone.
What a fückin tool you are.
What are you greeting about now?
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I’ve told you what I’m saying. You can run away or you can show me the figures.
Silly.
Glad you agree spending was cut.
We got there in the end.
Don’t tell me, another wet iPhone.
What a fückin tool you are.
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I’ve told you what I’m saying. You can run away or you can show me the figures.
Silly.
Glad you agree spending was cut.
We got there in the end.
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I’ve told you what I’m saying. You can run away or you can show me the figures.
Glad you agree spending was cut.
We got there in the end.
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I’ve told you what I’m saying. You can run away or you can show me the figures.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
Go on then.
Post it up.
No educate yourself. ::)
Oh I know.
Post it up and give us all a laugh....unless you’re afraid of making a cünt of yourself?
Given your track record on here I’m not sure how anyone would tell the difference.
Can you post the reductions in spend on tackling drugs through public health by year?
You have refused to that, and you often refuse to provide information. So you’ve no right to demand it of others.
Are you saying the SNP didn’t reduce spending on drug services and agencies in Scotland?
I’m asking you demonstrate the spending reductions you claim occurred. This far, you have demurred.
Are you saying they have never reduced spending in that area?
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
Go on then.
Post it up.
No educate yourself. ::)
Oh I know.
Post it up and give us all a laugh....unless you’re afraid of making a cünt of yourself?
Given your track record on here I’m not sure how anyone would tell the difference.
Can you post the reductions in spend on tackling drugs through public health by year?
You have refused to that, and you often refuse to provide information. So you’ve no right to demand it of others.
Are you saying the SNP didn’t reduce spending on drug services and agencies in Scotland?
I’m asking you demonstrate the spending reductions you claim occurred. This far, you have demurred.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
Go on then.
Post it up.
No educate yourself. ::)
Oh I know.
Post it up and give us all a laugh....unless you’re afraid of making a cünt of yourself?
Given your track record on here I’m not sure how anyone would tell the difference.
Can you post the reductions in spend on tackling drugs through public health by year?
You have refused to that, and you often refuse to provide information. So you’ve no right to demand it of others.
Are you saying the SNP didn’t reduce spending on drug services and agencies in Scotland?
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
Go on then.
Post it up.
No educate yourself. ::)
Oh I know.
Post it up and give us all a laugh....unless you’re afraid of making a cünt of yourself?
Given your track record on here I’m not sure how anyone would tell the difference.
Can you post the reductions in spend on tackling drugs through public health by year?
You have refused to that, and you often refuse to provide information. So you’ve no right to demand it of others.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Just like they do covid deaths care homes.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
Go on then.
Post it up.
No educate yourself. ::)
Oh I know.
Post it up and give us all a laugh....unless you’re afraid of making a cünt of yourself?
Given your track record on here I’m not sure how anyone would tell the difference.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
Go on then.
Post it up.
No educate yourself. ::)
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
Go on then.
Post it up.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
YES.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
Really😂😂😂😂
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
You do know that under the snp Dundee has sadly become the drugs capital of Europe. And believe me I take no pleasure in that.
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Very good discussion lads! Some thought provoking posts.
Your potential new area of employment sounds interesting, Fremsley. I'd be interested in hearing more although don't want you doxxing yourself. Only Brenty gets away with doxxing! :)
Regarding Mo's comments about putting them down if all else fails, I don't believe he's coming from a position of hate but of logic and compassion for the victims of junkies.
The person would have already been given a serious second chance at making something of their life, one which was paid for by taxpayers in spite of crimes they may have committed to fuel their habit. It'd be hard to continue to try and help someone if they keeping causing harm to people again and again, especially if they didn't show remorse or a willingness to change IMO. Why should the junky get chance after chance when the victim who stumbles on a needle, or gets robbed or killed may not get that luxury, through the fault of the junky?
Personally, I wouldn't put them down, maybe a life in jail or somewhere more secure without chance of them feeding their habit.
I have one particular source which I won't try to force upon you but in which I believe answers can be found. Addictions can't be beaten by replacement or by doing it legally or 'safely'.. they can only be beaten by the person not doing the thing and keeping away from it and those who may have it. All IMO of course!! :)
I also don't think we should treat these people as financial statistics by saying rehab is good economically. I'd be willing to pay good money to help people have another chance, but it couldn't go on forever.
It's in the balance just now Hardliner but i'll happily share information when I can
I do 100% agree with you about addicts wanting to stop but I do believe that there has to be more done to give them that opportunity. Perhaps less stigma around addiction would help as I can only imagine they are constantly fighting a losing battle. Pretty sure Dundee is one of the few Cities that doesn't have a rehab centre which in itself is rather alarming considering the magnitude of it here, and I hope now this will be addressed.
I think if we can start taking them by individual cases and understanding that some do want help and not everyone is mugging old ladies. Generalising them all as scum is part of the problem imo. The amount of needless crime and violence I've seen due to alcohol far more outweighs what I have seen due to drug addiction.
The SNP have legislated AGAINST alcohol.....but you want them to legislate FOR drugs.
Fückin really?
Not sure why you keep using the SNP as some stick to beat me with. I'm not, Buc :)
My point on the alcohol is about the stigma about each addiction and how we view addicts compared to some dafty in the street smashing up cars and assaulting folk
I’m not using the SNP against you.
Just pointing out some facts.....although I do believe you are in the camp of ‘everything will be better with independence’.
I've admitted the failings of the SNP but I'm more concerned right now in finding a solution. As for the point you made about alcohol it could be argued the minimum pricing is encouraging drug use. You are cheaper getting a bag of smack than a bottle of previously cheap cider.
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
You do know Scotland counts it's drug deaths differently from the rest of the uk and Europe.!!!!
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Very good discussion lads! Some thought provoking posts.
Your potential new area of employment sounds interesting, Fremsley. I'd be interested in hearing more although don't want you doxxing yourself. Only Brenty gets away with doxxing! :)
Regarding Mo's comments about putting them down if all else fails, I don't believe he's coming from a position of hate but of logic and compassion for the victims of junkies.
The person would have already been given a serious second chance at making something of their life, one which was paid for by taxpayers in spite of crimes they may have committed to fuel their habit. It'd be hard to continue to try and help someone if they keeping causing harm to people again and again, especially if they didn't show remorse or a willingness to change IMO. Why should the junky get chance after chance when the victim who stumbles on a needle, or gets robbed or killed may not get that luxury, through the fault of the junky?
Personally, I wouldn't put them down, maybe a life in jail or somewhere more secure without chance of them feeding their habit.
I have one particular source which I won't try to force upon you but in which I believe answers can be found. Addictions can't be beaten by replacement or by doing it legally or 'safely'.. they can only be beaten by the person not doing the thing and keeping away from it and those who may have it. All IMO of course!! :)
I also don't think we should treat these people as financial statistics by saying rehab is good economically. I'd be willing to pay good money to help people have another chance, but it couldn't go on forever.
It's in the balance just now Hardliner but i'll happily share information when I can
I do 100% agree with you about addicts wanting to stop but I do believe that there has to be more done to give them that opportunity. Perhaps less stigma around addiction would help as I can only imagine they are constantly fighting a losing battle. Pretty sure Dundee is one of the few Cities that doesn't have a rehab centre which in itself is rather alarming considering the magnitude of it here, and I hope now this will be addressed.
I think if we can start taking them by individual cases and understanding that some do want help and not everyone is mugging old ladies. Generalising them all as scum is part of the problem imo. The amount of needless crime and violence I've seen due to alcohol far more outweighs what I have seen due to drug addiction.
The SNP have legislated AGAINST alcohol.....but you want them to legislate FOR drugs.
Fückin really?
Not sure why you keep using the SNP as some stick to beat me with. I'm not, Buc :)
My point on the alcohol is about the stigma about each addiction and how we view addicts compared to some dafty in the street smashing up cars and assaulting folk
I’m not using the SNP against you.
Just pointing out some facts.....although I do believe you are in the camp of ‘everything will be better with independence’.
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Very good discussion lads! Some thought provoking posts.
Your potential new area of employment sounds interesting, Fremsley. I'd be interested in hearing more although don't want you doxxing yourself. Only Brenty gets away with doxxing! :)
Regarding Mo's comments about putting them down if all else fails, I don't believe he's coming from a position of hate but of logic and compassion for the victims of junkies.
The person would have already been given a serious second chance at making something of their life, one which was paid for by taxpayers in spite of crimes they may have committed to fuel their habit. It'd be hard to continue to try and help someone if they keeping causing harm to people again and again, especially if they didn't show remorse or a willingness to change IMO. Why should the junky get chance after chance when the victim who stumbles on a needle, or gets robbed or killed may not get that luxury, through the fault of the junky?
Personally, I wouldn't put them down, maybe a life in jail or somewhere more secure without chance of them feeding their habit.
I have one particular source which I won't try to force upon you but in which I believe answers can be found. Addictions can't be beaten by replacement or by doing it legally or 'safely'.. they can only be beaten by the person not doing the thing and keeping away from it and those who may have it. All IMO of course!! :)
I also don't think we should treat these people as financial statistics by saying rehab is good economically. I'd be willing to pay good money to help people have another chance, but it couldn't go on forever.
It's in the balance just now Hardliner but i'll happily share information when I can
I do 100% agree with you about addicts wanting to stop but I do believe that there has to be more done to give them that opportunity. Perhaps less stigma around addiction would help as I can only imagine they are constantly fighting a losing battle. Pretty sure Dundee is one of the few Cities that doesn't have a rehab centre which in itself is rather alarming considering the magnitude of it here, and I hope now this will be addressed.
I think if we can start taking them by individual cases and understanding that some do want help and not everyone is mugging old ladies. Generalising them all as scum is part of the problem imo. The amount of needless crime and violence I've seen due to alcohol far more outweighs what I have seen due to drug addiction.
The SNP have legislated AGAINST alcohol.....but you want them to legislate FOR drugs.
Fückin really?
Not sure why you keep using the SNP as some stick to beat me with. I'm not, Buc :)
My point on the alcohol is about the stigma about each addiction and how we view addicts compared to some dafty in the street smashing up cars and assaulting folk
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.
The drug death stats being made headline news and my understanding and research on it has only happened in the last few years. I've made a point at the ballot the first opportunity I have had so not really much else I can do on that front. I do think that whoever is in power should have full control over it if they want to make definite improvements though. Surely that makes sense. It is about damage limitation now and improving for future generations. What exactly do you suggest we do to stop the alarming rate of deaths? I've just seen finger pointing from you without any real solution.
Eh?
Did you miss the bit about proper funding?
Budget choices?
They were warned when they cut the budget what would happen and so it came to pass, unfortunately.
Did you miss all that!
Ok fair enough. Any suggestion of what we do with any money made available again? What do you think the budget should be spent on?
That’s the job of the professionals, not a layman like me.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.
The drug death stats being made headline news and my understanding and research on it has only happened in the last few years. I've made a point at the ballot the first opportunity I have had so not really much else I can do on that front. I do think that whoever is in power should have full control over it if they want to make definite improvements though. Surely that makes sense. It is about damage limitation now and improving for future generations. What exactly do you suggest we do to stop the alarming rate of deaths? I've just seen finger pointing from you without any real solution.
Eh?
Did you miss the bit about proper funding?
Budget choices?
They were warned when they cut the budget what would happen and so it came to pass, unfortunately.
Did you miss all that!
Ok fair enough. Any suggestion of what we do with any money made available again? What do you think the budget should be spent on?
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Very good discussion lads! Some thought provoking posts.
Your potential new area of employment sounds interesting, Fremsley. I'd be interested in hearing more although don't want you doxxing yourself. Only Brenty gets away with doxxing! :)
Regarding Mo's comments about putting them down if all else fails, I don't believe he's coming from a position of hate but of logic and compassion for the victims of junkies.
The person would have already been given a serious second chance at making something of their life, one which was paid for by taxpayers in spite of crimes they may have committed to fuel their habit. It'd be hard to continue to try and help someone if they keeping causing harm to people again and again, especially if they didn't show remorse or a willingness to change IMO. Why should the junky get chance after chance when the victim who stumbles on a needle, or gets robbed or killed may not get that luxury, through the fault of the junky?
Personally, I wouldn't put them down, maybe a life in jail or somewhere more secure without chance of them feeding their habit.
I have one particular source which I won't try to force upon you but in which I believe answers can be found. Addictions can't be beaten by replacement or by doing it legally or 'safely'.. they can only be beaten by the person not doing the thing and keeping away from it and those who may have it. All IMO of course!! :)
I also don't think we should treat these people as financial statistics by saying rehab is good economically. I'd be willing to pay good money to help people have another chance, but it couldn't go on forever.
It's in the balance just now Hardliner but i'll happily share information when I can
I do 100% agree with you about addicts wanting to stop but I do believe that there has to be more done to give them that opportunity. Perhaps less stigma around addiction would help as I can only imagine they are constantly fighting a losing battle. Pretty sure Dundee is one of the few Cities that doesn't have a rehab centre which in itself is rather alarming considering the magnitude of it here, and I hope now this will be addressed.
I think if we can start taking them by individual cases and understanding that some do want help and not everyone is mugging old ladies. Generalising them all as scum is part of the problem imo. The amount of needles crime and violence I've seen due to alcohol far more outweighs what I have seen due to drug addiction.
The SNP have legislated AGAINST alcohol.....but you want them to legislate FOR drugs.
Fückin really?
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Very good discussion lads! Some thought provoking posts.
Your potential new area of employment sounds interesting, Fremsley. I'd be interested in hearing more although don't want you doxxing yourself. Only Brenty gets away with doxxing! :)
Regarding Mo's comments about putting them down if all else fails, I don't believe he's coming from a position of hate but of logic and compassion for the victims of junkies.
The person would have already been given a serious second chance at making something of their life, one which was paid for by taxpayers in spite of crimes they may have committed to fuel their habit. It'd be hard to continue to try and help someone if they keeping causing harm to people again and again, especially if they didn't show remorse or a willingness to change IMO. Why should the junky get chance after chance when the victim who stumbles on a needle, or gets robbed or killed may not get that luxury, through the fault of the junky?
Personally, I wouldn't put them down, maybe a life in jail or somewhere more secure without chance of them feeding their habit.
I have one particular source which I won't try to force upon you but in which I believe answers can be found. Addictions can't be beaten by replacement or by doing it legally or 'safely'.. they can only be beaten by the person not doing the thing and keeping away from it and those who may have it. All IMO of course!! :)
I also don't think we should treat these people as financial statistics by saying rehab is good economically. I'd be willing to pay good money to help people have another chance, but it couldn't go on forever.
It's in the balance just now Hardliner but i'll happily share information when I can
I do 100% agree with you about addicts wanting to stop but I do believe that there has to be more done to give them that opportunity. Perhaps less stigma around addiction would help as I can only imagine they are constantly fighting a losing battle. Pretty sure Dundee is one of the few Cities that doesn't have a rehab centre which in itself is rather alarming considering the magnitude of it here, and I hope now this will be addressed.
I think if we can start taking them by individual cases and understanding that some do want help and not everyone is mugging old ladies. Generalising them all as scum is part of the problem imo. The amount of needles crime and violence I've seen due to alcohol far more outweighs what I have seen due to drug addiction.
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One thing for sure supplying the junkies with methadone does not work.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.
The drug death stats being made headline news and my understanding and research on it has only happened in the last few years. I've made a point at the ballot the first opportunity I have had so not really much else I can do on that front. I do think that whoever is in power should have full control over it if they want to make definite improvements though. Surely that makes sense. It is about damage limitation now and improving for future generations. What exactly do you suggest we do to stop the alarming rate of deaths? I've just seen finger pointing from you without any real solution.
Eh?
Did you miss the bit about proper funding?
Budget choices?
They were warned when they cut the budget what would happen and so it came to pass, unfortunately.
Did you miss all that!
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.
The drug death stats being made headline news and my understanding and research on it has only happened in the last few years. I've made a point at the ballot the first opportunity I have had so not really much else I can do on that front. I do think that whoever is in power should have full control over it if they want to make definite improvements though. Surely that makes sense. It is about damage limitation now and improving for future generations. What exactly do you suggest we do to stop the alarming rate of deaths? I've just seen finger pointing from you without any real solution.
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You can’t have it both ways, buddy.
Start your own thread and stop hijacking others to deflect from the utter fückin mess this is in which you are a card carrying apologist for failure.
Nope.
You’re becoming a bigger prïck by the day.
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You can’t have it both ways, buddy.
Start your own thread and stop hijacking others to deflect from the utter fückin mess this is in which you are a card carrying apologist for failure.
Nope.
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Very good discussion lads! Some thought provoking posts.
Your potential new area of employment sounds interesting, Fremsley. I'd be interested in hearing more although don't want you doxxing yourself. Only Brenty gets away with doxxing! :)
Regarding Mo's comments about putting them down if all else fails, I don't believe he's coming from a position of hate but of logic and compassion for the victims of junkies.
The person would have already been given a serious second chance at making something of their life, one which was paid for by taxpayers in spite of crimes they may have committed to fuel their habit. It'd be hard to continue to try and help someone if they keeping causing harm to people again and again, especially if they didn't show remorse or a willingness to change IMO. Why should the junky get chance after chance when the victim who stumbles on a needle, or gets robbed or killed may not get that luxury, through the fault of the junky?
Personally, I wouldn't put them down, maybe a life in jail or somewhere more secure without chance of them feeding their habit.
I have one particular source which I won't try to force upon you but in which I believe answers can be found. Addictions can't be beaten by replacement or by doing it legally or 'safely'.. they can only be beaten by the person not doing the thing and keeping away from it and those who may have it. All IMO of course!! :)
I also don't think we should treat these people as financial statistics by saying rehab is good economically. I'd be willing to pay good money to help people have another chance, but it couldn't go on forever.
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Sometimes we are too soft in this country.
We have one of the highest rates of incarceration on the planet. Only Rwanda and the United States jail more people.
That doesn't mean that we are not hard enough on some people.
Look at how some countries treat criminals.
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You can’t have it both ways, buddy.
Start your own thread and stop hijacking others to deflect from the utter fückin mess this is in which you are a card carrying apologist for failure.
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You can’t have it both ways, buddy.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.
Then you are complicit in the deaths of almost 1000 british service personnel and upwards of half a million civilians. So not really in a position to lecture anyone.
Quick, look over there. A squirrel.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.
Then you are complicit in the deaths of almost 1000 british service personnel and upwards of half a million civilians. So not really in a position to lecture anyone.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?
Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation
Are folk addicted to alcohol a drain on society?
If you wish deaths on Dundonians and use derogatory terms about dead people then you can't really complain about anything said to you. I've also not said anything bad about your family either and never would.
I know you haven't said anything bad about my family and I appreciate that.
I don't wish death on Dundonians ffs. Get a grip.
I didn't want to say this but my mums twin who lives in Drumchapel has had her house broken into 3 times in the last 18 months by junkies. She got pushed to the floor on one occasion breaking her arm.
I'm sorry if I do not have time for the dregs of soceity.
Legalise it and there is argument these things decrease. Less street dealers profiting on misery and less desperate addicts. Believe me, Mo I have very good reason than most to feel bitter against them but I don't. Far too much a generalisation
Oh ffs.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.
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Sometimes we are too soft in this country.
We have one of the highest rates of incarceration on the planet. Only Rwanda and the United States jail more people.
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Sometimes we are too soft in this country.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?
Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation
Are folk addicted to alcohol a drain on society?
If you wish deaths on Dundonians and use derogatory terms about dead people then you can't really complain about anything said to you. I've also not said anything bad about your family either and never would.
I know you haven't said anything bad about my family and I appreciate that.
I don't wish death on Dundonians ffs. Get a grip.
I didn't want to say this but my mums twin who lives in Drumchapel has had her house broken into 3 times in the last 18 months by junkies. She got pushed to the floor on one occasion breaking her arm.
I'm sorry if I do not have time for the dregs of soceity.
Legalise it and there is argument these things decrease. Less street dealers profiting on misery and less desperate addicts. Believe me, Mo I have very good reason than most to feel bitter against them but I don't. Far too much a generalisation
I do not know the answer but what happened to my aunt who was 84 at the time certainly changes how you feel about the junkie scum. Imagine how frightened she was getting confronted in her own home where she lives alone by a junkie ned and then being assualted. And guess what the police have not got him or whoever was responsible for the other 2 break inns.
I'm sorry but I have no time for them at all.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?
Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation
Are folk addicted to alcohol a drain on society?
If you wish deaths on Dundonians and use derogatory terms about dead people then you can't really complain about anything said to you. I've also not said anything bad about your family either and never would.
I know you haven't said anything bad about my family and I appreciate that.
I don't wish death on Dundonians ffs. Get a grip.
I didn't want to say this but my mums twin who lives in Drumchapel has had her house broken into 3 times in the last 18 months by junkies. She got pushed to the floor on one occasion breaking her arm.
I'm sorry if I do not have time for the dregs of soceity.
Legalise it and there is argument these things decrease. Less street dealers profiting on misery and less desperate addicts. Believe me, Mo I have very good reason than most to feel bitter against them but I don't. Far too much a generalisation
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?
Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation
Are folk addicted to alcohol a drain on society?
If you wish deaths on Dundonians and use derogatory terms about dead people then you can't really complain about anything said to you. I've also not said anything bad about your family either and never would.
I know you haven't said anything bad about my family and I appreciate that.
I don't wish death on Dundonians ffs. Get a grip.
I didn't want to say this but my mums twin who lives in Drumchapel has had her house broken into 3 times in the last 18 months by junkies. She got pushed to the floor on one occasion breaking her arm.
I'm sorry if I do not have time for the dregs of soceity.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
It’s been proven that for every £1 spent on drug rehabilitation we see a £4 return.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.
-
They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?
Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation
Are folk addicted to alcohol a drain on society?
If you wish deaths on Dundonians and use derogatory terms about dead people then you can't really complain about anything said to you. I've also not said anything bad about your family either and never would.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Wanting people dead eh?
Tut tut Mr Deemo
I knew you would pick me up on that comment.
I would give them a chance like Hardliner says and if that doesn't work get rid. They are scum
And so I should be pointing it out.
Don’t worry though, I won’t be pishing my pants about it like you did.
Have I wished you dead ?
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?
Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Wanting people dead eh?
Tut tut Mr Deemo
I knew you would pick me up on that comment.
I would give them a chance like Hardliner says and if that doesn't work get rid. They are scum
And so I should be pointing it out.
Don’t worry though, I won’t be pishing my pants about it like you did.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Wanting people dead eh?
Tut tut Mr Deemo
I knew you would pick me up on that comment.
I would give them a chance like Hardliner says and if that doesn't work get rid. They are scum
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
Wanting people dead eh?
Tut tut Mr Deemo
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For me, the only way to stop a drug addiction or dependency is to take the addict away from toxic mates or environments and have them not take drugs for a long period. Cold Turkey. Short term pain for long term gain.
Put addicts in specially built, safe, basic accommodation which they can't leave and don't allow them contact with the outside world. At first, this would be one padded room with a shower and toilet or something.
After withdrawals have gone, slowly introduce them to life's other pleasures such as going swimming, to the gym, reading and competition. Once they do these things and 'get better' at them, they may realise how good life can be away from drugs. Accomodation could get better as time goes on. Allow them to earn a sort of fake-money within the compound for doing good deeds, giving them the mindset that practise and work = more money and happiness.
They could actually be kept in this place for years, and psychiatric assessments could be conducted before they leave to gauge if they still have cravings.
Giving them Methadone only reinforces the addiction and tempts them to go back to their old ways and mates IMO, same with legalised safe spaces. Legalising would keep needles off the streets, but would be no long term benefit to those struggling with addiction either.
Good points Hardliner and I can see logic in what you say. If the addict agrees to this self opposed restriction of liberty to go cold turkey then it could work. I still think that in the short term legalising it will safeguard the current users and on the whole make communities more safer for everyone. I'm looking at some potential employment that is loosely similar to what you have suggested above. Just a few things to iron out first.
Methadone seems a life sentence as they very rarely are taken off it despite pleas to their GP. I think programs like this and if drugs were legalised then there would need to be an agreed reduction plan instead of just keeping them on a state funded addiction for life.
I'm glad you have given a reasonable alternative. Sick hearing the "just shoot them all" kind of thing you get from folk who have no time for addicts.
Yea, Hardliner makes some very good points.
And I'm sick hearing of hearing the left wing soft approach for them scumbags.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
Here’s a couple of ideas.
Don’t spend £180m giving people bonuses they don’t deserve.
Don’t spend £80m on baby boxes no one fückin asked for.
Would you rather spend that money on tackling the drug problem that besets our country or are you happy with the way £260m of tax payers money has been used?
I know what I’d do.
Of course not. I haven't said otherwise and I have been quite critical of the SNP on certain aspects regarding this. Especially in Dundee
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How much money do they cost us taxpayers a year ?
How much is spent on methadone ?
A total and utter drain on soceity in many ways.
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For me, the only way to stop a drug addiction or dependency is to take the addict away from toxic mates or environments and have them not take drugs for a long period. Cold Turkey. Short term pain for long term gain.
Put addicts in specially built, safe, basic accommodation which they can't leave and don't allow them contact with the outside world. At first, this would be one padded room with a shower and toilet or something.
After withdrawals have gone, slowly introduce them to life's other pleasures such as going swimming, to the gym, reading and competition. Once they do these things and 'get better' at them, they may realise how good life can be away from drugs. Accomodation could get better as time goes on. Allow them to earn a sort of fake-money within the compound for doing good deeds, giving them the mindset that practise and work = more money and happiness.
They could actually be kept in this place for years, and psychiatric assessments could be conducted before they leave to gauge if they still have cravings.
Giving them Methadone only reinforces the addiction and tempts them to go back to their old ways and mates IMO, same with legalised safe spaces. Legalising would keep needles off the streets, but would be no long term benefit to those struggling with addiction either.
Good points Hardliner and I can see logic in what you say. If the addict agrees to this self opposed restriction of liberty to go cold turkey then it could work. I still think that in the short term legalising it will safeguard the current users and on the whole make communities more safer for everyone. I'm looking at some potential employment that is loosely similar to what you have suggested above. Just a few things to iron out first.
Methadone seems a life sentence as they very rarely are taken off it despite pleas to their GP. I think programs like this and if drugs were legalised then there would need to be an agreed reduction plan instead of just keeping them on a state funded addiction for life.
I'm glad you have given a reasonable alternative. Sick hearing the "just shoot them all" kind of thing you get from folk who have no time for addicts.
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Would you be of the same opinion if it was a close friend or family member of yours mr deemo?
Yea I would
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
Here’s a couple of ideas.
Don’t spend £180m giving people bonuses they don’t deserve.
Don’t spend £80m on baby boxes no one fückin asked for.
Would you rather spend that money on tackling the drug problem that besets our country or are you happy with the way £260m of tax payers money has been used?
I know what I’d do.
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Would you be of the same opinion if it was a close friend or family member of yours mr deemo?
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.
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No way give them safe zones for their disgusting habit. They get enough in benefits and methadone.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.
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For me, the only way to stop a drug addiction or dependency is to take the addict away from toxic mates or environments and have them not take drugs for a long period. Cold Turkey. Short term pain for long term gain.
Put addicts in specially built, safe, basic accommodation which they can't leave and don't allow them contact with the outside world. At first, this would be one padded room with a shower and toilet or something.
After withdrawals have gone, slowly introduce them to life's other pleasures such as going swimming, to the gym, reading and competition. Once they do these things and 'get better' at them, they may realise how good life can be away from drugs. Accomodation could get better as time goes on. Allow them to earn a sort of fake-money within the compound for doing good deeds, giving them the mindset that practise and work = more money and happiness.
They could actually be kept in this place for years, and psychiatric assessments could be conducted before they leave to gauge if they still have cravings.
Giving them Methadone only reinforces the addiction and tempts them to go back to their old ways and mates IMO, same with legalised safe spaces. Legalising would keep needles off the streets, but would be no long term benefit to those struggling with addiction either.
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They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.
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The Scottish Government must change its approach. We can simply ensure that the Lord Advocate and Police do not prosecute drug users and create the building blocks for an entirely new policy, framework and drug culture.
It’s time to simply ignore Whitehall’s protests on this issue.
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Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.
In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent
Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.
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One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.
No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.
“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.
Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?
Who mentioned Monica Lennon?
You need to look harder.
Due to your failure to produce any evidence (because their is none) I’d say it’s fair to assume that cuts in spending were a fantasy.
It’s clear that Westminster’s drug laws don’t work for Scotland.
Oh there is, and you know it.
The laws have nothing to do with it.
The SNP were warned what would happen when they slashed the budget.
And so it came to pass.
Scotlands people suffer again due to the SNP...and still you and the other fûckin idiots vote for them.
Don’t pretend you care.
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One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.
No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.
“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.
Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?
Who mentioned Monica Lennon?
You need to look harder.
Due to your failure to produce any evidence (because their is none) I’d say it’s fair to assume that cuts in spending were a fantasy.
It’s clear that Westminster’s drug laws don’t work for Scotland.
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One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.
No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.
“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.
Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?
Who mentioned Monica Lennon?
You need to look harder.
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One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.
No need.
It’s a matter of record.
I’m not convinced. Having searched extensively today I can find no evidence of spending on this issue having been cut.
“Monica Lennon says” isn’t evidence.
Are you going to provide any evidence that spending on this issue has been cut, as opposed to increased as I have demonstrated?
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One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.
No need.
It’s a matter of record.
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One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
Provide the figures.
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One wonders why they put funding in after reducing it over the years.
Reap what you sow.
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Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧
And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.
Absolutely, Mo.
It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.
With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.
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Wha's like us!
You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.
When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.
Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.
I don't think we can blame the Government for the factors which make drug abuse such a large problem in Scotland compared to the rest of the country. It would make no sense.
Fair play to the Scottish Parliament regarding alcohol though. Minimum pricing was a brave step to take and I agree with it.
I think that trends come and go, and from what I can see young ones just aren't as interested in drinking in parks etc anymore. It's not seen as edgy and cool like it used to be. Long may it continue.
The SNP chooses how to allocate the budget.
They chose to cut funding to this area.
Scotland is reaping what the SNP have sown.
http://www.sdf.org.uk/additional-12-7-million-funding-in-scottish-budget-to-address-harm-associated-with-drug-or-alcohol-use/
The Scottish Government has announced £12.7 million in additional funding to address the harm associated with drug or alcohol use.
Included in the Scottish Budget Statement, the increase in spending will support the work of the Drugs Deaths Taskforce to deliver innovative projects, test new approaches and develop a national pathway for Opiate Substitute Therapy.
Responding to the decision, David Liddell, CEO of Scottish Drugs Forum, said:
“This investment is hugely welcome. There is evidence of innovative work being done on a small scale in various parts of Scotland and this investment gives the opportunity to scale these up.”
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Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧
And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.
Absolutely, Mo.
It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.
With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.
(https://scontent.flhr2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131416190_3854397424619219_7023533689497609537_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qWieNhUf5wEAX8OMNRI&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-1.fna&oh=ae196b25725de57e5bde41cd3bec7427&oe=5FFFE5D5)
Wha's like us!
You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.
When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.
Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.
I don't think we can blame the Government for the factors which make drug abuse such a large problem in Scotland compared to the rest of the country. It would make no sense.
Fair play to the Scottish Parliament regarding alcohol though. Minimum pricing was a brave step to take and I agree with it.
I think that trends come and go, and from what I can see young ones just aren't as interested in drinking in parks etc anymore. It's not seen as edgy and cool like it used to be. Long may it continue.
The SNP chooses how to allocate the budget.
They chose to cut funding to this area.
Scotland is reaping what the SNP have sown.
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Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧
And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.
Absolutely, Mo.
It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.
With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.
(https://scontent.flhr2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131416190_3854397424619219_7023533689497609537_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qWieNhUf5wEAX8OMNRI&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-1.fna&oh=ae196b25725de57e5bde41cd3bec7427&oe=5FFFE5D5)
Wha's like us!
You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.
When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.
Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.
Nonsense, mo has just told us that everything has got worse under the seps and he’s a man that knows his stuff.
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Eh, they aren’t departments Mo, they are areas of legislation.
Still cost a lot to set up and run Peter
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Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧
And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.
Absolutely, Mo.
It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.
With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.
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Wha's like us!
You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.
When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.
Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.
I don't think we can blame the Government for the factors which make drug abuse such a large problem in Scotland compared to the rest of the country. It would make no sense.
Fair play to the Scottish Parliament regarding alcohol though. Minimum pricing was a brave step to take and I agree with it.
I think that trends come and go, and from what I can see young ones just aren't as interested in drinking in parks etc anymore. It's not seen as edgy and cool like it used to be. Long may it continue.
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Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧
And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.
Absolutely, Mo.
It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.
With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.
(https://scontent.flhr2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131416190_3854397424619219_7023533689497609537_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qWieNhUf5wEAX8OMNRI&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-1.fna&oh=ae196b25725de57e5bde41cd3bec7427&oe=5FFFE5D5)
Wha's like us!
You would have to ask Westminster why it’s so bad in Scotland. It’s their responsibility.
When you look at areas such as knife crime, which Holyrood does control, you can see the progress that can be made.
Similarly alcohol, where consumption in Scotland has been driven to a record low.
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Eh, they aren’t departments Mo, they are areas of legislation.
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Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧
And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.
Absolutely, Mo.
It's all very well saying that drug abuse is a reserved matter, but the factors that lead to such abuse are not purely down to Westminster.
With Scotland being so much worse than the rest of the country in this regard, it would suggest that it's not actually WM's fault but that of the Scottish people and Scottish Executive.
(https://scontent.flhr2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/131416190_3854397424619219_7023533689497609537_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=qWieNhUf5wEAX8OMNRI&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr2-1.fna&oh=ae196b25725de57e5bde41cd3bec7427&oe=5FFFE5D5)
Wha's like us!
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Looking at that list how could an independent Scotland afford all of that on top of the things we pay for now ?
To set up these departments would cost millions.
Thank goodness we have extra money from WM to bail us out 🇬🇧
And as for the drugs problem of course in a seps eyes it is all WMs fault and nothing to do with the snp when of course it does.
Some videos I've watched today about govanhill are an absolute disgrace. It is sickening to think how our country has turned out under the leadership of the snp.
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Awkward. 😬
You’re making yourself look a bigger prïck...if that’s possible.
Bit of an overreaction.
Not really.
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Awkward. 😬
You’re making yourself look a bigger prïck...if that’s possible.
Bit of an overreaction.
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And it’s “fewer”, not “less”.
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Awkward. 😬
You’re making yourself look a bigger prïck...if that’s possible.
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Awkward. 😬
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So less deaths with independence😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961
Everything in Scotland has got worse with the Snp in holyrood. The place needs binned
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Scotland's drug deaths rise to new record https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55184961