Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:51:48 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .

There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .

And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .

It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .

And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly

It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.

I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.

But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:13:07 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:59:51 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:51:21 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:47:28 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:55:19 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 12:30:22 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

Leaving things as they are is a risk also, but without any hope of reward. Independence offers the hope of a better future, whereas the union almost guarantees long slow decline.

That’s how people see it, and if you want Scotland to stay in the union you will need to pull something special out of the bag in terms of an offer with a cast iron guarantee of delivering it. UK Gov can’t do that though as the electorate in England would never tolerate it.

Most people in England are not bothered about the union. They don’t really care whether Scotland becomes independent or not and they would mostly be glad to be shot of NI.

It’s kind of embarrassing to see unionists in Scotland and Ireland clinging to a union in which they aren’t even really wanted.

I totally disagree with your 1st paragraph. I would completely say the opposite.
I think its embarrasing seeing nationalists wanting independence at any cost. It is completely bonkers 🤷‍♂️
And the less I say about the embarrasment that bully boy causes our country the better. And these marches, cringe personified 🙈

What is the reward on offer for staying in the Union?

The reward is getting more money to spend in our country than we would if we went it alone. Thats one reward.

Depends on who you believe and where you get that info from .
It's well known Westminster hides Scotland's resources figures like indeed the McCrone report .

When Joseph Stiglitz the 4th highest rated economist said Scotland would manage on it's own I know who'd I'd want to listen too .

The bottom line is London government is creaming it with Scotland becoming independent
Why would that be I wonder .
They have started already with a full page advert n would you believe the Sunday National unbelievable.

What ‘resource figures?’ does Westminster hide?
You’d listen to anyone who says what you want to hear. It’s called confirmation bias...buy I’ve already told yup this.
There is not a London government.

What currency would an I Scotland use?
How much would your pension increase?
How would it be paid for?

Questions that all need to be answered that I’m sure you’ll have the answers to as you seem to know what you’re talking about...

The only figures I see as regards pension is the pension age rise and it's going to keep rising work till you drop . Reason is the London government can't afford to pay it .

Funny how they took out a loan for this Covid but Norway same population as Scotland took out over 40 billion from their fund they have no dept and vast wealth .

Use the Scottish pound that's my opinion.
Anyway the SNP will have all this planned out you lot are in for a surprise.

There is no London government.
How would an iScotland pay pensions?
Which currency would it be in?
No such currency as the Scottish pound.
Where are the SNP plans?
This has nothing to do with Norway.

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:02:50 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:50:18 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 01:31:24 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:27:22 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 12:57:19 pm

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.

I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.

Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.

The questions aren’t even difficult.

Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.

This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.

You’re not acting in good faith, are you?

So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.

We got there in the end.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:57:10 pm

Quote from: Buc on September 06, 2020, 01:51:48 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 12:13:03 pm

Quote from: Spit On McGhee on September 06, 2020, 12:00:53 pm

Pretty arrogant to assume that all people that believe in independence are daft, nice one Mo.

I don't think that they are all daft mate, I just don't understand why they would take such a risk. I cannot get my head round it and I have been trying to for years. I've spoken to someone who is a supporter and it just makes it worse in my head. 🤷‍♂️,

It's a risk to stay in the union 2 trillion in dept out of Europe .
That tells me it's the other way around .

There's nothing wrong being independent anyway it's not splitting the country up its splitting the union up .

And saying we won't be able to manage isn't an issue because we have much resources other countries that do not have they'd give an arm and a leg for .

It's all about growing your own economy.
I'm excited about Scotland's future .

And how much debt would Scotland start with ? How do we pay that back ?
I'm petrified if Scotland went independent.
And Buc the country is split in 2, sadly

It is a very good thing that country is split on this issue. Division is a good thing, a sign of a health democracy.

I do NOT recall Yoons complaining about the divisive nature of politics in the years prior to 2007 when Scotland and the UK were split tribally down Labour/Tory lines.

But now the old rules don’t suit so well it’s time for new rules. Always the stacked deck with these guys.

Its awful the country is split in two. There is nothing good about it at all. Before tge referendum the country was a lot happier place to live in imo. Now its split between those that want independence and those that don't. It makes me so sad what has happened to our beautiful country and its people.

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 02:25:37 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:02:50 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:50:18 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 01:31:24 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:27:22 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 12:57:19 pm

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.

I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.

Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.

The questions aren’t even difficult.

Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.

This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.

You’re not acting in good faith, are you?

No need for the abuse mate 🙁

It’s what they do when the questions get too tough for them...sadly.

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 02:35:24 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 02:25:37 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:02:50 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:50:18 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 01:31:24 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:27:22 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 12:57:19 pm

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.

I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.

Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.

The questions aren’t even difficult.

Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.

This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.

You’re not acting in good faith, are you?

No need for the abuse mate 🙁

It’s what they do when the questions get too tough for them...sadly.

No tears from you please, you have been abusive yourself to posters.

It was just an observation and my genuine sincerely held view. Swearing is normal.

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 02:25:37 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:02:50 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:50:18 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 01:31:24 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:27:22 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 12:57:19 pm

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.

I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.

Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.

The questions aren’t even difficult.

Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.

This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.

You’re not acting in good faith, are you?

So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.

We got there in the end.

I think a lot of things would be better, where as you think everything would be worse.

But you don’t know, do you? Yes or no?

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:30:43 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 02:25:37 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 02:02:50 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on September 06, 2020, 01:50:18 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 01:31:24 pm

Quote from: LionMo on September 06, 2020, 01:27:22 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on September 06, 2020, 12:57:19 pm

Is there another country in the world trying to legislate for a referendum on their constitution during a global pandemic?
This is the absurdity of the SNP and nationalism laid bare.

Yep, they are absolute idiots. They are supposed to want whats best for Scotland and they want to put the country and its people through another divisive referendum when the world has a global pandemic going on. They have also received millions from WM to help us through it. Without WM we would be totslly ****.

Not one of them can tell you how we’d pay pensions or what currency it would be paid in.

I could speculate but what would be the point. If you were told by the world’s best economists you would only say “rubbish” (because you know better) before very quickly claiming you hadn’t in fact been told.

Your stock reply when you can’t answer.
Just say you don’t know.

The questions aren’t even difficult.

Maybe you are just a really thick, lazybrained ****, and that could very possibly be the case, but when I say I could only speculate, that means “I don’t know”.

This has been explained to you in numerous occasions, but there you go, pretending you haven’t been told, that you haven’t had answer, just as predicted.

You’re not acting in good faith, are you?

So you don’t know...you just think everything would be better.

We got there in the end.

I think a lot of things would be better, where as you think everything would be worse.

But you don’t know, do you? Yes or no?

Where have I said they would be worse?
I think any sane person would see that starting at least 15bn in the hole would be a serious issue and might very well make Scotland worse off than it is at present.
Agree?