There is a fantasy world. Escapism. One where the good indigenous English protect statues and protect businesses during riots while the “others” seek to destroy. The stiff upper lip of the ordinary football lads will never quiver. Unless they are criticised.

And Scotland is a place where the people don’t know how lucky they are to have such benevolent viceroys and they spend their time resenting those in England who consider them with such selfless kindness.

The reality is that hardly anyone in Scotland gives a second though to “the English” as an entity. They are just living their lives.

JTC puts across solid points and the lefties react by sneering and presenting strawman arguments.. why does this not surprise me? 

Peter, what you describe certainly is a fantasy world alright, but it's one I've never heard be described by anyone, including JTC.

Say anything negative about immigration (and let's face it, there are plenty negatives) then you're characterised as having said 'it's always the immigrants' fault.
Question the hatred of some Scots to the English and you're 'intolerant of Scots'
Big up your own nation by calling it tolerant without much rioting, and you're sarcastically asked if you 'want a medal' or told 'congratulations' despite that irrelevant to the point being made.

The fact of the matter is that JTC is putting across valid points, and you lot can't tackle them.  It's clear to see that the cult of diversity is strong though.

I look forward to the day when the left offer intellectual, statistics driven, sensible points on matters of race/immigration without labelling people or dishing out strawman arguments  (No sniggering at the back)

Quote from: Slimliner on November 14, 2020, 01:46:27 pm

Quote from: PeterGrant on November 14, 2020, 11:45:58 am

There is a fantasy world. Escapism. One where the good indigenous English protect statues and protect businesses during riots while the “others” seek to destroy. The stiff upper lip of the ordinary football lads will never quiver. Unless they are criticised.

And Scotland is a place where the people don’t know how lucky they are to have such benevolent viceroys and they spend their time resenting those in England who consider them with such selfless kindness.

The reality is that hardly anyone in Scotland gives a second though to “the English” as an entity. They are just living their lives.

JTC puts across solid points and the lefties react by sneering and presenting strawman arguments.. why does this not surprise me? 

Peter, what you describe certainly is a fantasy world alright, but it's one I've never heard be described by anyone, including JTC.

Say anything negative about immigration (and let's face it, there are plenty negatives) then you're characterised as having said 'it's always the immigrants' fault.
Question the hatred of some Scots to the English and you're 'intolerant of Scots'
Big up your own nation by calling it tolerant without much rioting, and you're sarcastically asked if you 'want a medal' or told 'congratulations' despite that irrelevant to the point being made.

The fact of the matter is that JTC is putting across valid points, and you lot can't tackle them.  It's clear to see that the cult of diversity is strong though.

I look forward to the day when the left offer intellectual, statistics driven, sensible points on matters of race/immigration without labelling people or dishing out strawman arguments  (No sniggering at the back)

Do you think that many Scots go about their daily life moaning about England?

I've yet to meet one of these people by the way.

No I don't, and JTC didn't say many did.  He actually praised in Scots in general, conveniently missed by many it seems. 

Don't worry, I don't expect any of you lot to tackle any points to do with race and immigration in a reasonable manner.

If I had a pound for every time a lefty resorted to sneering, strawman arguments or labelling rather than discuss race/immigration logically, then I'd be a very rich man.  Could be a good wee money spinner actually.

Quote from: Jake Roberts on November 14, 2020, 01:02:41 pm

tWiTTer iS LIke rEel liFE!

I could have lowered myself to finding tweets with the same opinion of Scots but most sane people know that social media doesn't represent the thoughts and feelings of people in the real world. 

Truth hurts the seps.

Go and tell us the world according to twitter? 

The biggest worry here is that there are people that can't accept a pisstake anymore.

In Scotland, if we take the **** out of you it generally means that we like you.

Naebody have banter with work pals or anything like that anymore?

I know some are working from home but we must have a few people on here who are maybe based on a building site, workshops or such?

Quote from: PeterGrant on November 14, 2020, 11:45:58 am

There is a fantasy world. Escapism. One where the good indigenous English protect statues and protect businesses during riots while the “others” seek to destroy. The stiff upper lip of the ordinary football lads will never quiver. Unless they are criticised.

And Scotland is a place where the people don’t know how lucky they are to have such benevolent viceroys and they spend their time resenting those in England who consider them with such selfless kindness.

The reality is that hardly anyone in Scotland gives a second though to “the English” as an entity. They are just living their lives.

JTC puts across solid points and the lefties react by sneering and presenting strawman arguments.. why does this not surprise me? 

Peter, what you describe certainly is a fantasy world alright, but it's one I've never heard be described by anyone, including JTC.

Say anything negative about immigration (and let's face it, there are plenty negatives) then you're characterised as having said 'it's always the immigrants' fault.
Question the hatred of some Scots to the English and you're 'intolerant of Scots'
Big up your own nation by calling it tolerant without much rioting, and you're sarcastically asked if you 'want a medal' or told 'congratulations' despite that irrelevant to the point being made.

The fact of the matter is that JTC is putting across valid points, and you lot can't tackle them.  It's clear to see that the cult of diversity is strong though.

I look forward to the day when the left offer intellectual, statistics driven, sensible points on matters of race/immigration without labelling people or dishing out strawman arguments  (No sniggering at the back)

Immigration has positives and negatives. Advantages and drawbacks. Nobody would deny that. I don’t ever see opponents of immigration acknowledging the positives though.

What I’ve never understood from those who have a problem with immigration though is why they feel entitled to a world without it. What right do any of us have to have our preferred culture mores preserved at the expense of other cultures? If the world around me changes and I don’t like it, I have to readily acknowledge that’s just tough **** for me. The world doesn’t owe me any pandering to my sensibilities.

The British have travelled all over the world, impacting cultures massively, for hundreds of years. Millions of British people live and work in other countries today.

I don’t accept either any argument with regard to employment. We have more immigrants than ever before and at the same time we have just had the highest levels of employment ever recorded and the lowest levels of unemployment.

I think a lot of it is insularity, exceptionalism and just down right busy-bodiedness. I don’t sit in my house and brood about the English, or about the Indians who live down the road. And not should anyone else. It’s not healthy.

I have never met anyone either who gives much though to the English or spends their time slagging them off. I’m sure it happens somewhere but I don’t really care, it’s none of my business.

I’m sure everyone would be happy to be treated by an Asian or Indian Doctor if they needed medical help

You have a great night JTC 👍

Quote from: Jtc on November 14, 2020, 06:24:48 pm

I’m sure they would TS. I certainly would.
Let’s back to a few facts. Firstly ‘ on the verge’ 😀. Behave.
Iv just done a bit of work this afternoon and got the family tea from my mate Sal, a Turkish Cypriot lad who runs a chippy. Difference is with me and any of my non white mates we talk about things like immigration and the like . Some are born here some not. It doesn’t matter to me.
Im actually in favour of controlled immigration. Nearly all the Sikh lads I know voted Brexit. I suppose they are racists as well
Anyway back to the point of tolerance . The English have shown we are a tolerant nation.Anyone saying some seps ain’t giving it anti English vibes is deluding themselves.
As for being anti Scottish, yeah right. That’s why I’m on here and was in Gate of Fleet the other week. It crack on anyway . I’m off to goose step and throw darts at a Nicola picture😂

“ Anyone saying some seps ain’t giving it anti English vibes is deluding themselves.”

The SNP is absolutely chock full of English people. I know because I was a party member for 13 years.

In the party there was never any anti-English sentiment. At all. It just isn’t there.

There is much enmity for Westminster, and plenty of that from the thousands of English members of the SNP.

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