Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 10:49:41 am

Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.

In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent

Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.

Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.

There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 16, 2020, 11:40:45 am

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 10:49:41 am

Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.

In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent

Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.

Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.

There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives

It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 12:07:10 pm

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 12:02:14 pm

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:45:04 am

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 11:43:15 am

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.

Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?

Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation

Are folk addicted to alcohol a drain on society?

If you wish deaths on Dundonians and use derogatory terms about dead people then you can't really complain about anything said to you. I've also not said anything bad about your family either and never would.

I know you haven't said anything bad about my family and I appreciate that.

I don't wish death on Dundonians ffs. Get a grip.

I didn't want to say this but my mums twin who lives in Drumchapel has had her house broken into 3 times in the last 18 months by junkies. She got pushed to the floor on one occasion breaking her arm.
I'm sorry if I do not have time for the dregs of soceity.

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 12:15:53 pm

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 12:07:10 pm

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 12:02:14 pm

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:45:04 am

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 11:43:15 am

Quote from: LionMo on December 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am

They are a drain on soceity. I have no time for them at all.

An addict is an addict even if it is drugs, bevvy or gambling. The point is though if we don't do anything more families will have to mourn loved ones who are dying every week. For the heartless lot who don't care then again if we don't act then drug users injecting in open view or peoples closey will become even more prominent. What is the alternative? Drug use and addiction is here and it isn't going anywhere so surely trying to control it is beneficial for everyone?

I like Hardliners idea and if that doesn't work put them down.

Putting them down isn't a reasonable alternative is it? Funny how you can get all offended if someone mentions something about you or your family yet you are wishing folk dead who have kids, parents siblings etc. The City you are meant to have an affiliation with is the worst in Europe for it with someone dying every 5 days. Would you say that to the face of someone who has had a son or daughter die? What about alcoholics? Are they a drain on society?

Yes it is. Fu#k them, I'm all for giving them a chance but if that doesn't work well.
And this has got fu#k all to do with my family so no need to mention them, okay.
And alcoholics is another conversation

Are folk addicted to alcohol a drain on society?

If you wish deaths on Dundonians and use derogatory terms about dead people then you can't really complain about anything said to you. I've also not said anything bad about your family either and never would.

I know you haven't said anything bad about my family and I appreciate that.

I don't wish death on Dundonians ffs. Get a grip.

I didn't want to say this but my mums twin who lives in Drumchapel has had her house broken into 3 times in the last 18 months by junkies. She got pushed to the floor on one occasion breaking her arm.
I'm sorry if I do not have time for the dregs of soceity.

Legalise it and there is argument these things decrease. Less street dealers profiting on misery and less desperate addicts. Believe me, Mo I have very good reason than most to feel bitter against them but I don't. Far too much a generalisation

Sometimes we are too soft in this country.

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 16, 2020, 12:17:02 pm

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 12:09:48 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 16, 2020, 11:40:45 am

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 10:49:41 am

Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.

In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent

Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.

Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.

There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives

It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.

That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on

You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 12:23:53 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 16, 2020, 12:17:02 pm

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 12:09:48 pm

Quote from: TheVoiceOfReason on December 16, 2020, 11:40:45 am

Quote from: The Wet Blanket 2020 on December 16, 2020, 10:49:41 am

Absolutely grim reading. In particular Dundee being the drug death capital of Europe. I've read up a lot about this and it really isn't something that will change overnight. There needs to be much more education for the next generation for a start.

In Dundee last year 1 person every 5 days died a drug related death. If we are serious about stopping this then we need to legalise it or make safe zones for drug testing, consumption, and needle exchange. There really isn't much of an alternative as if we do nothing it will get worse, more loved ones will die and addicts slumped in streets, needles found in playparks will become more prominent

Etizolam is the absolute main reason why Dundee and Scotland as a whole has such high drug deaths. An absolute Russian roulette everytime they are taken especially when mixed with other illicit drugs and at 30p a pill it isn't going anywhere. If we can regulate it, test it alongside heroin and make sure it is safe then these figures plummet imo. It's as simple as that.

Why do we need different laws that don’t have the horrific results we have than the rest of the Uk?
The Scottish government were warned when they cut funding what would happen....and fückin ignored it.
Until the Scottish government are brought to account we will continue to suffer these horrific stats.
We have people who vote for a party that has one fückin policy and when everything starts failing...look to blame someone else...usually the ‘Toareez’ which is only a euphemism for ‘the bastārd English’
We are reaping what the SNP have sown.

There are different factors of why drug deaths are worse up here. Same with why Dundee is worse than other places. I understand the points about the SNP but you really are trying to argue with the wrong guy here about it. I'll vote for them as a vehicle for Indy and probably no more. They lost my vote last election because of the drug death situation in my City as I felt that was more important and relevant than Indy at that point in time. My issues now is how we stop the spiralling drug deaths and how we start saving lives

It needs proper funding and support not different laws.
It’s about budget choices.
The SNP love virtue signalling policies.
A GP doesn’t need a £500 bonus for not seeing patients.
A new mother doesn’t need a baby box.
All the above plus the ferries, education, bifab and closed hospitals are ALWAYS more relevant than independence.
People who vote for the SNP ONLY because of independence are part of and complicit in the problems that beset Scotland.

That was the first opportunity I have had to vote for the SNP or not in an election since I had read up about the drug death situation in Dundee in particular. If things don't improve then i'll consider the same approach. I'm confident now that pressure will be put on the powers to address the situation head on

You think this has only just happened?
You think pressure hasn’t been exerted in the previous years when we were still the worst in Europe?
They couldn’t give a fück. They only care about independence.
You need to open yer eyes.
A vote for the SNP makes you complicit.

Then you are complicit in the deaths of almost 1000 british service personnel and upwards of half a million civilians. So not really in a position to lecture anyone.